Editing Talk:Alberta separatism (section)

== The article needs serious work on its neutrality ==

I understand that a lot of work has gone into making this article, and the main reason why I do not fix it myself is because I want to give the authors the chance to rework some sections into good content, and I feel I might be too heavy handed in deleting non-neutral content. The last thing I want is to start an edit war, but I'll gladly help if help is needed. (Ping me, as I might be occupied with other things)

Some work is needed to make the article neutral. It is clear that in some parts of the article, citations were taken from primary sources and then a less-than-unbiased narrative is written in between the quotes. Some parts of the article are even written in a way that is more like an essay supporting separation of Alberta than an encyclopedic article. For example, let's look at the section "2010s Liberals Again, Resurgence" is written in a way that implies that the United Conservatives support the separation of Alberta. (If that is true, then it needs to be properly cited and not just extrapolated from campaign speeches) There is a whole paragraph about Trudeau Jr. getting booed at a hockey game that is completely irrelevant to everything in the article. The excerpts from Peter Zeihan are lumped in with no explanation of their significance. Sentences like "Mr. Hopper correctly described the landlocked problems of an independent Alberta but did not argue the benefits presented by Mr. Zeihan and others" are borderline non-encyclopedic. The entire premise of this sentence is to dismiss the critiques of separatism by stating that he disregarded a portion of the evidence. I understand that it's sometimes difficult to present a subject in a neutral light, but when every single mention of separatism being criticized is followed up with an explanation of why the speaker is wrong, it becomes a problem. 

Other sections have minor problems, but seem to be less opinionated and more fact-based. These sections are clearly the way to go.

I'd usually remedy this myself, but I know next to nothing about Albertan Separatism. For example, I don't know if Zeihan's works are significant, some statements I might have removed myself might be able to be sourced somewhere, or rephrased with added context. They might also be able to be replaced with scholarly sources, which tend to be more encyclopedic in nature.

I'd really like to see this article flourish, as it's a frequently misunderstood of part of Canadian culture (at least if you live in the east, like I do) and I can see it being made into a very good resource to educate all Canadians about Western-Canadian issues and preoccupations.

Best, [[User:Acebulf|Acebulf]] ([[User talk:Acebulf|talk]]) 01:18, 21 August 2018 (UTC)

{{reply to|Acebulf|Acebulf}} I made significant write to this Separation article (July 2018), and see others changed what I wrote.  In no way do the United Conservatives in Alberta today support separation (but many of their members do want the conversation).  With lower economies and rising debt, separation sentiments rise - there is a cycle - and the cycle is political to the extent of who is in power.   Separatism sentiment rises when Liberals are in power, so a point made about Trudeau and a hockey game are relevant to that extent. But whoever did the edit on that seems to have run on too long with it. Likewise with the sentence about "Mr. Hopper correctly described the landlocked problems of an independent Alberta but did not argue the benefits presented by Mr. Zeihan and others." I don't recognize these sentences as my contribution. There is too many edits to click on under history but if you show me a list of words and sentences added since my contribution, I can rework the article back to unbiased status.   The entry should inform not promote Separatism.  [[User:Kermit7|Kermit]]

This article seems to promote an Alberta seperatist view as opposed to a neutral world view of Western Seperatism. It needs to be properly flagged as lacking neutrality.
I find it odd that the article describes almost every Eastern federal policy as being "catastrophic" for Alberta yet separatism sentiment often can't get a single candidate elected... the counter political sentiment that Alberta should remain in Canada seems largely ignored and provincial government responsibilities during economic downturns seem conveniently ignored. [[Special:Contributions/204.48.92.87|204.48.92.87]] ([[User talk:204.48.92.87|talk]]) 23:28, 5 September 2021 (UTC)

:The references list needs to be completely overhauled. Western Standard is not a credible source, nor are some of the forum based sources. The list is bloated and filled with mis and disinformation. [[User:Verity4good|Verity4good]] ([[User talk:Verity4good|talk]]) 05:42, 26 May 2025 (UTC)