Editing Talk:Psychogenic non-epileptic seizure (section)

==Psychogenic seizures not psychogenic?==

I removed the assertion that psychogenic seizures are not psychogenic.  This article is about psychogenic seizures.  Other sorts of seizures, non-psychogenic in origin, are detailed in articles listed under 'see also'.  Repeatedly explaining, in an article called "psychogenic seizures," that psychogenic seizures are not psychogenic is confusing and ultimately pointless.  This would be similar to repeated assertions in the article entitled [[Dog]], that dogs are not in fact dogs but are cats.

If someone wants to create a section entitled "Controversy," with text along the lines of "Some authorities have stated that psychogenic seizures do not exist ''per se''," that might be a good idea.  It would need, however, to be cited, as with any other contribution to Wikipedia, because Wikipedia [[WP:NOR|forbids original research]].  I am eager, of course, to learn of the existence of any such verifiable statements, and strongly suggest that if they exist they be placed into the article.

-[[User:Ikkyu2|<span style="color:#2000C0;">ikkyu2</span>]] ([[User_talk:Ikkyu2|<span style="color:#00FF00;">talk</span>]]) 23:13, 12 April 2006 (UTC)

In my opinion the person who wrote the current article on Psychogenic Non-Epileptic Seizures has an "agenda".  The article is clearly imbalanced and attempts to whitewash issues of psychiatric predisposition as well as issues of malingering (wherein "seizures" are used to motivate some form of social gain such as may occur when "seizures" are attributed to an auto or industrial accident potentially tied to financial incentive).  Whoever wrote the article probably has some form of practice wherein he/she manages these patients. In practice an accurate diagnosis of psychogenic seizures, malingering, or frank fraud are anathema because they generate patient hostility, billing problems, and possibly even retribution law suits.  However, even though rigorous avoidance of accuracy may understandable in some contexts, this is no place to do such a dance.  The article needs to be written by someone who is willing to look at the complex issues accurately and without a hidden agenda.


The introductory sentence "There is no scientific consensus as to what causes PNES. However, many physicians believe the condition may be triggered by psychological problems..." seems problematic because PNES is by definition psychological in origin. [[User:Gomer2|Gomer2]] ([[User talk:Gomer2|talk]]) 11:34, 31 May 2018 (UTC)

Gomer2, I just saw your comment. Yes, there is indeed a problem here, in that the name "psychogenic nonepileptic seizures" implies a known causation, but in reality, the causes of PNES are still a matter of debate. But the solution to this problem is not to assert that the causation mentioned in the name must be correct by definition. The solution is to change the name. There is an increasing trend in the literature to refer to these seizures using more neutral terms, such as :non-epileptic attack disorder" or "functional nonepileptic seizures". 

I think we are getting to the point where we need to consider changing the title of this page to reflect these recent changes (while still ensuring that searches for PNES redirect here).[[User:Wilshica|Wilshica]] ([[User talk:Wilshica|talk]]) 01:10, 14 June 2021 (UTC) Wilshica