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==== [[Template:History of Argentina]] ==== <div class="boilerplate tfd vfd tfd-closed mw-archivedtalk" style="background-color: #e3f9df; padding: 0 10px 0 10px; border: 1px solid #AAAAAA;"> :''The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more templates or modules. <span style="color:red">'''Please do not modify it.'''</span> Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the template's [[Help:Using talk pages|talk page]] or in a [[Wikipedia:Deletion review|deletion review]]).'' The result of the discussion was '''withdrawn'''<!-- Tfd top -->. [[User:Beland|Beland]] ([[User talk:Beland|talk]]) 02:22, 12 December 2025 (UTC) * <s>'''Propose merging''' [[Template:History of Argentina]] (105 links, 27 transclusions) into [[Template:Argentina topics]]</s><br /> '''Procedural withdraw''': This nomination cannot proceed until [[Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2025 October 8#Culture sidebars part 6]] has been carried out. Sorry for the confusion. (At [[User:Nederlandse Leeuw/Culture sidebars#South America history sidebars]] you can see my proposal, which I'll postpone until Culture sidebars part 6 has been processed). [[User:Nederlandse Leeuw|NLeeuw]] ([[User talk:Nederlandse Leeuw#top|talk]]) 13:43, 5 November 2025 (UTC) :@[[User:Nederlandse Leeuw|Nederlandse Leeuw]] well that discussion ended in merge, so there is nothing stopping you from implementing that merge and then continuing with this. [[User:Gonnym|Gonnym]] ([[User talk:Gonnym|talk]]) 16:30, 5 November 2025 (UTC) ::@[[User:Gonnym|Gonnym]] Well wouldn't that be confusing? I'd rather not mix things up. [[User:Nederlandse Leeuw|NLeeuw]] ([[User talk:Nederlandse Leeuw#top|talk]]) 18:15, 5 November 2025 (UTC) :::If you think it will be, then sure. Close this and reopen at a later date. [[User:Gonnym|Gonnym]] ([[User talk:Gonnym|talk]]) 09:25, 6 November 2025 (UTC) *'''Delete''' pls stop spamming country navigation templates with every damn link possible. <span style="display:inline-flex;rotate:-15deg;color:darkblue">'''[[User:Moxy|Moxy]]'''</span><span style="display:inline-flex;rotate:15deg;color:darkblue">[[User talk:Moxy|π]]</span> 23:43, 6 November 2025 (UTC) :Would it be better to convert these sidebars into new footer navboxes rather than merging them into existing country navigation templates? I think I'm starting to understand your objections, now that we're dealing with much larger templates than I started this series of culture sidebars TfMs with. [[User:Nederlandse Leeuw|NLeeuw]] ([[User talk:Nederlandse Leeuw#top|talk]]) 23:53, 6 November 2025 (UTC) ::Precisely - as per [[WP:NAVBOX]] (MOS) <span style="display:inline-flex;rotate:-15deg;color:darkblue">'''[[User:Moxy|Moxy]]'''</span><span style="display:inline-flex;rotate:15deg;color:darkblue">[[User talk:Moxy|π]]</span> 00:17, 7 November 2025 (UTC) :::@[[User:Moxy|Moxy]] Okay. One issue is that [[WP:NAVBOX]] never defines a maximum number of links. With Benjitheijneb, I've been working on [[User:Nederlandse Leeuw/Campaignboxes#Maximum links rule]], where we set 50 links as a maximum for campaignboxes (which are technically sidebars rather than navboxes). I think we could take that as a rule of thumb for our purposes here as well? If you agree, then the next step seems straightforward. :::At [[User:Nederlandse Leeuw/Culture sidebars#South America history sidebars]], I've outlined how many links each history sidebar has, and how many of them are actually transcluded (which may included transclusions from pages that are not linked, but that's fixable). What I would propose is to only count the transclusions, and use them as a basis for new footer navboxes. E.g. the 8 transclusions of [[Template:History of Suriname]]. I'll put links to those 8 articles in this new footer navbox, add them to the bottom of those 8 articles, and then nominate [[Template:History of Suriname]] to be Just-deleted. (I might add the 5 missing transclusions in this case as the number is still very small). Sounds good? If you agree, then I'll proceed. :::The only real problem might be converting [[Template:History of Brazil]] (174 links, 85 transclusions). 85 is still arguably way too much for a footer navbox. What would you suggest? Cheers, [[User:Nederlandse Leeuw|NLeeuw]] ([[User talk:Nederlandse Leeuw#top|talk]]) 08:06, 7 November 2025 (UTC) ::::Merger of [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template%3AUnited_Kingdom_topics&diff=1320989047&oldid=1312255077 this nature is crazy]. We should not go out of our way to make templates inaccessible. <span style="display:inline-flex;rotate:-15deg;color:darkblue">'''[[User:Moxy|Moxy]]'''</span><span style="display:inline-flex;rotate:15deg;color:darkblue">[[User talk:Moxy|π]]</span> 04:49, 8 November 2025 (UTC) :::::Okay. But you shouldn't [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template%3AUnited_Kingdom_topics&diff=1321025706&oldid=1320989047 revert mergers that were carried out] after a [[Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2025 August 25#Culture sidebars part 3|discussion to merge them reached consensus]]. That could be taken as disrupting the process. :::::Nevertheless, I am very much open to splitting off a UK culture footer navbox from [[Template:United Kingdom topics]] in order not to make the latter too loaded with links (what you called "mass link spam"). You've convinced me that it's important to consider the resulting total number of links in a merged template. Sometimes we should convert a culture sidebar into a new navbox footer rather than merge it into an existing topics navbox footer, and this seems a good example of just such a situation. [[User:Nederlandse Leeuw|NLeeuw]] ([[User talk:Nederlandse Leeuw#top|talk]]) 12:18, 8 November 2025 (UTC) :::::::This is why It may be best to bring this to the wider community - what I am seeing is a small group of editors forming a local consensuss that is the opposite of what our editing guidlines says is best. Simply no way most will think adding every Society article to the template bellow follows our editing guidlines [[WP:NAVBOX]]...that said if the future plan is conversion over merger it may workout.<span style="display:inline-flex;rotate:-15deg;color:darkblue">'''[[User:Moxy|Moxy]]'''</span><span style="display:inline-flex;rotate:15deg;color:darkblue">[[User talk:Moxy|π]]</span> 14:01, 8 November 2025 (UTC) ::::::::Hey, this discussion is over? [[User:ULIFOX 3XX|ULIFOX 3XX]] ([[User talk:ULIFOX 3XX|talk]]) 01:36, 23 November 2025 (UTC) {{Country topics | country = United Kingdom | state = <includeonly>{{{state|{{{1|autocollapse}}}}}}</includeonly><noinclude>expanded</noinclude> | prefix = the <!----------------------- History ------------------------> | history = {{#invoke:Navbox|navbox |child |groupwidth=6.5em |groupstyle=padding-left:0.5em;padding-right:0.5em;font-weight:normal; | group1 = [[Timeline of British history|Chronology]] | list1 = * [[Formation of the United Kingdom|Formation]] ** [[Union of England and Scotland Act 1603]] ** [[Treaty of Union]] ** [[Acts of Union 1707]] ** [[Union with Scotland (Amendment) Act 1707]] * [[Georgian era]] ** [[United Kingdom in the Napoleonic Wars|Napoleonic Wars]] ** [[Regency era|Regency period]] * [[Victorian era]] ** [[British Empire]] * [[Edwardian era]] * [[History of the United Kingdom during the First World War|First World War]] * [[Interwar Britain|Interwar]] * [[History 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[[Hydroelectricity in the United Kingdom|hydroelectricity]] ** [[Renewable energy in the United Kingdom#Ocean power|marine]] ** [[North Sea oil]] **[[Renewable energy in the United Kingdom|Renewable energy]] ** [[Solar power in the United Kingdom|solar]] ** [[Wind power in the United Kingdom|wind]] * Fishing ** [[Fishing industry in England|English]] ** [[Fishing industry in Scotland|Scottish]] ** [[Fishing industry in Wales|Welsh]] * [[Hunting and shooting in the United Kingdom|Hunting]] * Materials ** [[Forestry in the United Kingdom|forestry]] ** [[Mining in the United Kingdom|mining]] * Wildlife ** [[Fauna of Great Britain|fauna]] ** [[Flora of Great Britain and Ireland|flora]] }} <!--------------------- Politics -----------------------> | politics = <!--Alphabetical:--> {{#invoke:Navbox|navbox |child |groupwidth=6.5em |groupstyle=padding-left:0.5em;padding-right:0.5em;font-weight:normal; | list1 = <!--Alphabetical:--> * [[Constitution of the United Kingdom|Constitution]] * [[Corruption in the United Kingdom|Corruption]] * [[Devolution in the United Kingdom|Devolution]] * [[Elections in the United Kingdom|Elections]] ** [[UK parliamentary by-elections|By-elections]] * [[Foreign relations of the United Kingdom|Foreign relations]] * [[Human rights in the United Kingdom|Human rights]] ** [[LGBT rights in the United Kingdom|LGBT]] * [[Judiciaries of the United Kingdom|Judiciary]] * [[Law of the United Kingdom|Law]] * [[Law enforcement in the United Kingdom|Law enforcement]] * [[Local government in the United Kingdom|Local government]] * [[Monarchy of the United Kingdom|Monarchy]] ** [[List of British monarchs|monarchs]] ** [[Republicanism in the United Kingdom|republicanism]] * [[British nationality law|Nationality]] * [[Parliament of the United Kingdom|Parliament]] ** [[House of Commons of the United Kingdom|House of Commons]] ** [[House of Lords]] * [[List of political parties in the United Kingdom|Political parties]] * [[List of female leaders of British 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United Kingdom|Human]] * [[Mass surveillance in the United Kingdom|Privacy]] * [[Censorship in the United Kingdom|Speech]] * [[Freedom of religion in the United Kingdom|Religion or belief]] * [[LGBTQ rights in the United Kingdom|LGBTQ]] ** [[Transgender rights in the United Kingdom|Transgender]] ** [[Intersex rights in the United Kingdom|Intersex]] }} <!----------------------- Economy ------------------------> | economy = <!--Alphabetical:--> * [[List of banks in the United Kingdom|Banks]] ** [[Bank of England]] * [[Budget of the United Kingdom|Budget]] * [[Economic geography of the United Kingdom|Economic geography]] * [[Free trade agreements of the United Kingdom|Free trade agreements]] * [[Income in the United Kingdom|Income]] * [[Manufacturing in the United Kingdom|Manufacturing]] * [[Pound sterling|Pound sterling {{small|(currency)}}]] * [[Science and technology in the United Kingdom|Science and technology]] * [[List of stock exchanges in the United Kingdom, the British Crown Dependencies and United Kingdom Overseas Territories|Stock exchanges]] ([[London Stock Exchange|London Exchange]]) * [[Taxation in the United Kingdom|Taxation]] * [[Telecommunications in the United Kingdom|Telecommunications]] * [[Tourism in the United Kingdom|Tourism]] | transport = *[[Air transport in the United Kingdom|Air transport]] *[[Bus transport|Bus transport]] *[[Driving in the United Kingdom|Driving]] *[[Roads in the United Kingdom|Roads]] *[[Rail transport in the United Kingdom|Rail transport]] <!----------------------- Society ------------------------> | society = <!--Alphabetical:--> * [[Cannabis in the United Kingdom|Cannabis]] * [[Crime in the United Kingdom|Crime]] * [[Demographics of the United Kingdom|Demography]] * [[Drug policy of the United Kingdom|Drug policy]] * [[Education in the United Kingdom|Education]] * [[Environmental inequality in the United Kingdom|Environmental inequality]] * [[Environmental issues in the United Kingdom|Environmental issues]] * 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** [[Judaism in the United Kingdom|Judaism]] ** [[Buddhism in the United Kingdom|Buddhism]] ** [[Modern Paganism in the United Kingdom|Modern Paganism]] * [[Sport in the United Kingdom|Sport]] ** [[Football in England]] ** [[Football in Scotland]] ** [[Football in Wales]] ** [[Association football in Northern Ireland|Football in Northern Ireland]] ** [[Cricket in England]] ** [[Cricket in Ireland]] ** [[Cricket in Scotland]] ** [[Cricket in Wales]] ** [[History of rugby union|Rugby union]] ** [[History of rugby league|Rugby league]] ** [[Ice hockey in the United Kingdom|Ice hockey]] ** [[Gaelic games]] * [[List of national symbols of the United Kingdom, the Channel Islands and the Isle of Man|Symbols]] ** [[Flag of the United Kingdom|Flag]] ** [[Coat of arms of the United Kingdom|Coat of arms]] ** [[National anthem of the United Kingdom|National anthem]] ** [[Monarch of the United Kingdom|Monarchy]] ** [[Britannia]] ** ''[[Dieu et mon droit]]'' ** ''[[In Defens]]'' ** "[[God Save the King]]" ** [[Thistle#Scottish thistle|Thistle]] ** [[Tudor rose]] ** [[Theatre of the United Kingdom|Theatre]] ** [[Stereotypes of the British]] * Monuments ** [[List of World Heritage Sites in the United Kingdom|World Heritage Sites]] ** [[Buckingham Palace]] ** [[Palace of Westminster]] ** ''[[Angel of the North]]'' ** [[Stonehenge]] * [[Anglosphere]] <!---------------- Constituent countries -----------------> | list6 = {{Navbox with collapsible groups |child |selected = {{{1|}}} |state1 = <noinclude>expanded</noinclude> |sect1 = [[Countries of the United Kingdom]] |abbr1 = Countries |list1 = {{#invoke:Navbox|navbox |child | group1 = [[England]] | list1 = * [[History of England|History]] ** [[English society|social]] ** [[Timeline of English history|timeline]] * [[Geography of England|Geography]] * [[Politics of England|Politics]] * [[English law|Law]] * [[Economy of England|Economy]] ** [[Tourism in England|tourism]] * [[Education in England|Education]] * [[Healthcare in England|Health care]] * [[Homelessness in England|Homelessness]] * [[Culture of England|Culture]] * [[Religion in England|Religion]] * [[National symbols of England|Symbols]] | group2 = [[Northern Ireland]] | list2 = * [[History of Northern Ireland|History]] * [[Northern Ireland#Geography and climate|Geography]] * [[Politics of Northern Ireland|Politics]] ** [[Northern Ireland Assembly|Assembly]] ** [[Northern Ireland Executive|Executive]] ** [[First Minister and Deputy First Minister of Northern Ireland|First Minister and Deputy First Minister]] * [[Law of Northern Ireland|Law]] * [[Economy of Northern Ireland|Economy]] ** [[List of tourist attractions in Ireland|tourism]] * [[Education in Northern Ireland|Education]] * [[Health and Social Care (Northern Ireland)|Health care]] * [[Culture of Northern Ireland|Culture]] * [[Religion in Northern Ireland|Religion]] * [[Northern Ireland#Symbols|Symbols]] | group3 = [[Scotland]] | list3 = * [[History of Scotland|History]] ** [[Timeline of Scottish history|timeline]] * [[Geography of Scotland|Geography]] * [[Politics of Scotland|Politics]] ** [[Scottish Parliament|Parliament]] ** [[Scottish Government|Government]] ** [[First Minister of Scotland|First Minister]] * [[Scots law|Law]] * [[Economy of Scotland|Economy]] ** [[Tourism in Scotland|tourism]] * [[Education in Scotland|Education]] * [[Healthcare in Scotland|Health care]] * [[Homelessness in Scotland|Homelessness]] * [[Culture of Scotland|Culture]] * [[Religion in Scotland|Religion]] * [[National symbols of Scotland|Symbols]] | group4 = [[Wales]] | list4 = * [[History of Wales|History]] * [[Geography of Wales|Geography]] * [[Politics of Wales|Politics]] ** [[Senedd]] ** [[Welsh Government|Government]] ** [[First Minister of Wales|First Minister]] * [[Welsh law|Law]] * [[Economy of Wales|Economy]] ** [[Tourism in Wales|tourism]] * [[Education in Wales|Education]] * [[Healthcare in Wales|Health care]] * [[Culture of Wales|Culture]] * [[Religion in Wales|Religion]] * [[National symbols of Wales|Symbols]] }} }} }} :@[[User:Moxy|Moxy]] Okay. How would you suggest we {{xt|bring this to the wider community}}? An RfC? Personally, I am trying to refine my approach by turning my overview at [[User:Nederlandse Leeuw/Culture sidebars]] into a proper essay that may eventually evolve into a guideline. I'm using the 50+ links and transclusions a lot as a rule of thumb in order to recommend against some of the larger mergers I've recently proposed, and now (thanks to your objections) I am reconsidering. There are several examples we might use to base a general rule for separating society/culture footers from other "topics" footers that would get overpopulated, or are arguably already overpopulated (Gotta keep 'em separated! {{wink}}). Quoting several examples I wrote earlier elsewhere: * [[Template:Andhra Pradesh]] seems to be heavily focused on geography/topography. [[Template:Andhra Pradesh topics]] is much more about culture, society, socio-economics (and [[Template:Culture of Andhra Pradesh]] almost completely overlaps with the latter). * [[Template:California topic]] is so clearly restricted to plain geography/topography that, taking Moxy's objections into account, it might not be a good idea to merge [[Template:Culture of California]] into it. The latter links to about 77 pages, but only has 15 transclusions. A better idea might be to start a new footer navbox from scratch based on those 15 transclusions, and then Just-delete the [[Template:Culture of California]] sidebar. * [[Template:Ontario]] and [[Template:Ontario topics]] do basically all topics simultaneously: geography/topography, government/politics, history, economy, culture(/society), and communities + transporation. In that case, you are okay with a complete merger as the scope completely overlaps, and the resulting merged template would probably have fewer than 50 links and transclusions. * When I look at [[Template:Culture of Scotland]], [[Template:Scotland topics]] and [[Template:History of Scotland]], I see a massive amount of overlap, but I'm not sure what the best division between those three templates should be, or if "three" is even the best number of templates to divide all linked/transcluded articles into. I do think that in the [[Template:History of Scotland]], we should get rid of the Culture, Politics, Sport, and Religion sections, as they have very little to do with strictly history. Similarly, in [[Template:Culture of Scotland]], we should probably eliminate the History section, because that is already the domain of [[Template:History of Scotland]]. What, then, should remain in [[Template:Scotland topics]]? Well, geography/topography, contemporary politics/government, maybe economy? Edit: No, economy has its own [[Template:Economy of Scotland]]! Edit: And politics has its own [[Template:Politics of Scotland]], as well as [[Template:Scottish devolution]]... :So, while it may be obvious that a template should probably be split if it has more than 50 links and/or transclusions, it may not always be obvious how the split should be made, and into how many new templates it should be split. What do you think? [[User:Nederlandse Leeuw|NLeeuw]] ([[User talk:Nederlandse Leeuw#top|talk]]) 15:18, 8 November 2025 (UTC) :PS: At [[User:Nederlandse Leeuw/Culture sidebars#What to do when not to merge?]], I summarise this discussion and propose a standard model for country and territory topics templates with fixed parameters, so that the total number of links can never exceed a certain number. (Kinda like an infobox, in which parameters that are not recognised simply will not display anything). [[User:Nederlandse Leeuw|NLeeuw]] ([[User talk:Nederlandse Leeuw#top|talk]]) 15:58, 8 November 2025 (UTC) ::I have been here a very long time and in my opinion you're one of the greatest editors in regard to how your taking some criticism on something that is clearly a good faith effort...... your approach of compromise and common sense is a breath of fresh air. If your spearheading further endeavors of this nature I'm am very confident you have what's best for our readers in mind. ..... Special Barnstar coming your way in the near future.! <span style="display:inline-flex;rotate:-15deg;color:darkblue">'''[[User:Moxy|Moxy]]'''</span><span style="display:inline-flex;rotate:15deg;color:darkblue">[[User talk:Moxy|π]]</span> 21:29, 8 November 2025 (UTC) :::@[[User:Moxy|Moxy]] Thank you so much :D I'm trying. I know I'll sometimes make mistakes, and that I should try to correct them rather than pretending I'm always right. Fellow editors like you have a way of seeing my mistakes that I myself failed to see. We need each other to move forward. :::I just hope I haven't been overwhelming you with questions, and asking your thoughts on how to improve the situation. So far you have been very patient with me, and I appreciate that very much, especially when we are dealing with complex issues that require a lot of effort to properly disentangle and figure out. Cheers, [[User:Nederlandse Leeuw|NLeeuw]] ([[User talk:Nederlandse Leeuw#top|talk]]) 21:48, 8 November 2025 (UTC) *'''Merge''' per nomination. --[[User:WikiCleanerMan|WikiCleanerMan]] ([[User talk:WikiCleanerMan|talk]]) 23:25, 10 November 2025 (UTC) :''The above is preserved as an archive of the discussion. <span style="color: red;">'''Please do not modify it.'''</span> Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the template or module's [[Help:Using talk pages|talk page]] or in a [[Wikipedia:Deletion review|deletion review]]). No further edits should be made to this section.''</div>
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