Editing Talk:Alberta separatism (section)

== Merge proposal ==

I propose merging [[2025-2026 Alberta independentist crisis]] into [[Alberta separatism]], possibly under the subsection "US Involvement". {{tquote|"Independentist crisis"}} and the use of a military conflict infobox seems to be sensational (no reliable sources are describing a "crisis"). With significant overlap and the fact that the "crisis" article is short, I believe the Alberta separatism article (along with [[American expansionism under Donald Trump#Alberta|American expansionism under Donald Trump § Alberta]]) would sufficiently cover the topic. [[User:Nice4What|Nice4What]] ([[User talk:Nice4What|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Nice4What|contribs]]) – <small>([[Help:Notifications/Thanks|Thanks]] <span style="color:#4dac8b;">♥</span>)</small> 16:53, 30 January 2026 (UTC) <small>(<u>edited 17:12, 30 January 2026 (UTC)</u>)</small>

:I would like to point out its laid out that way because the very contact between the separatists and the US officials IS the crisis. Outlets and people included in the article have called it a crisis, and Canadian officials, as stated in the article, reacted harshly, with the premier of British Columbia calling it "Treason".
:The article does not focus onto Albertan independence persay, it focuses on this specific chapter of this controversial political topic. Its a diplomatic crisis between two sovreign nations that deserve a separate article. The infobox used is not incorrect or sensationalistic, its just used to show the dynamic of the crisis, which is what it showcases. [[User:VitoxxMass|VitoxxMass]] ([[User talk:VitoxxMass|talk]]) 17:06, 30 January 2026 (UTC)
::Diplomatic crisis? That's rather sensationalist. There's no reason that this molehill can't be part of the existing article. [[User:Nfitz|Nfitz]] ([[User talk:Nfitz|talk]]) 20:05, 30 January 2026 (UTC)
*'''Support''' no idea why this has its own article, should be a section in Alberta Separatism. [[User:Scu ba|<span style="color: red">'''Scu'''</span>]][[User talk:Scu ba|<span style="color:blue">ba</span>]] 17:07, 30 January 2026 (UTC)
*'''Oppose merge, support delete'''; some of the conclusions are OR or fringe. [[User:CoryGlee|<span style="color:fuchsia;">CoryGlee</span>]] 17:18, 30 January 2026 (UTC)
::Where do you see fringe theories? I see an analysis subsection that cites reliable sources, but maybe I've missed something. [[User:Nice4What|Nice4What]] ([[User talk:Nice4What|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Nice4What|contribs]]) – <small>([[Help:Notifications/Thanks|Thanks]] <span style="color:#4dac8b;">♥</span>)</small> 17:56, 30 January 2026 (UTC)
:::Use of the word "crisis" is a fringe theory. A handful of treacherous loons talking to the racist rapist is not a crisis. [[User:Nfitz|Nfitz]] ([[User talk:Nfitz|talk]]) 20:06, 30 January 2026 (UTC)
*'''Oppose merge'''. I'm inclined to think the (so-called) crisis is notable, as it involves a claim of foreign interference. That other article is not really about Alberta separatism, but [[Canada–United States relations]]. (In fact, that article would make better sense for a merge target.) [[User:StAnselm|<b>St</b>]][[Special:Contributions/StAnselm|Anselm]] ([[User talk:StAnselm|talk]]) 18:20, 30 January 2026 (UTC)
*'''Oppose merge'''. Per StAnselm above, this has become quite a big event in the global media with large articles on it in most of the world's highest grade [[WP:RSP]]s (no need to list here).  The element of foreign intervention has made it a much more material event that merits coverage. Obviusly, should have a section in the main [[Alberta Separatism]] article. [[User:Aszx5000|Aszx5000]] ([[User talk:Aszx5000|talk]]) 18:44, 30 January 2026 (UTC)
*'''Support merge''' A subject can be notable but still not best served by having an independent article - see [[WP:NOPAGE]]. This should be a subsection of the Alberta separatism article.  In addition, to call the recent meetings a “crisis” meriting its own article is also not NPOV; even if the merge proposal fails, that wildly biased title needs to be changed ASAP. [[User:Flipandflopped|<b style="color:Teal;">Flip</b>]][[Special:Contribs/Flipandflopped|<sup style="color:grey">and</sup>]][[User talk:Flipandflopped|<b style="color:purple">Flopped</b>]] [[Wikipedia:Civility|<b style="color:grey">㋡</b>]] 19:00, 30 January 2026 (UTC)
:* Indeed the use of the word "crisis" is sensationalist. This must change, at a minimum. I'd support an AFD. [[User:Nfitz|Nfitz]] ([[User talk:Nfitz|talk]]) 20:09, 30 January 2026 (UTC)
:*:We already are discussing a change of name, as i do agree with it. [[User:VitoxxMass|VitoxxMass]] ([[User talk:VitoxxMass|talk]]) 21:05, 30 January 2026 (UTC)
*'''Support merge''' this need more than 2 or 3 sentences in the existing article. A joke about the 11th province could create a "crisis" with the current regime in the USA. [[User:Nfitz|Nfitz]] ([[User talk:Nfitz|talk]]) 20:09, 30 January 2026 (UTC)
*'''Support deletion'''; the article seems to be giving this event far too much prose for its actual importance. Per [[WP:FORK#Caution]]: {{green|having a separate article on a controversial incident may give undue weight to that incident}}--and this, to me, seems like an open-and-shut case of that, given the page only showed up a few hours ago. As for what to do with the page, it's fair to say everything that should be covered on this page is already adequately covered, and thus the page can feasibly be deleted without a need for keeping its history for attribution. [[User:Departure–|Departure–]] ([[User talk:Departure–|talk]]) 20:36, 30 January 2026 (UTC)
*'''Delete''' - At the moment, the rest of Canada doesn't seem to be in anxiety mode. [[User:GoodDay|GoodDay]] ([[User talk:GoodDay|talk]]) 22:59, 31 January 2026 (UTC)

:After talking with numerous wiki editors and seeing how the event unfolded in the following days, I, the creator of the article, would support '''merge'''. [[User:VitoxxMass|VitoxxMass]] ([[User talk:VitoxxMass|talk]]) 12:17, 1 February 2026 (UTC)

*'''Support merge''' - Clearly a notable development in the context of the overall movement, but not independently notable nor sufficiently prominent or separate to need its own article. [[User:GenevieveDEon|GenevieveDEon]] ([[User talk:GenevieveDEon|talk]]) 09:46, 4 February 2026 (UTC)

*'''Support merge''' - The new article would only be relevant if an actual referendum is held, otherwise its just another chapter of the same story. [[User:McCIrishman|McCIrishman]] ([[User talk:McCIrishman|talk]]) 10:06, 4 February 2026 (UTC)
*'''Support''' merge per [[WP:NOPAGE]], no reason to split off this one aspect when it can adequately fit within the main article. '''[[User:Thebiguglyalien|<span style="color:#0c4709">Thebiguglyalien</span>]]''' ([[User talk:Thebiguglyalien|<span style="color:#472c09">talk</span>]]) 19:24, 1 March 2026 (UTC)