Editing Eurovision Wiki:Teahouse (section)

== Fresh Starts ==

Some editors from Wikipedia come from other wikis which may have disowned them for their actions there. About the etiquette here when it comes to past infractions. Some people have accounts on multiple wikis and old grudges or habits may still be remembered. Would they come back to [[WP:HOUND|haunt]] me or not? [[User:TheEternalOutsider|TheEternalOutsider]] ([[User talk:TheEternalOutsider|talk]]) 18:25, 18 March 2026 (UTC)

:Hello, @[[User:TheEternalOutsider|TheEternalOutsider]]. 
:As far as I know, [[WP:blocks|blocks]] and similar measures are used by admins on English Wikipedia to prevent disruption, not as punishment, and it is an editor's behaviour on English Wikipedia that matters. What may have happened in other wikis is not relevant. 
:If you're talking about how other editors who may have interacted with you on other wikis may treat you, that is between you and them (though disruptive behaviour on either side could occasion a block). We have the fundamental guideline of [[WP:assume good faith|assume good faith]]. [[User:ColinFine|ColinFine]] ([[User talk:ColinFine|talk]]) 20:04, 18 March 2026 (UTC)
::The term "disruption" is nebulous and doesn't really have a codified consensus. But once again, ignore all rules is a policy here. Also, if someone tries to sternly tell me to "do as you are told", that's a severe breach of trust. [[User:TheEternalOutsider|TheEternalOutsider]] ([[User talk:TheEternalOutsider|talk]]) 20:17, 18 March 2026 (UTC)
:::[[WP:DISRUPTION]] exists and admins place blocks based on it. IAR is policy, but there are other policies, like BLP, CIVIL, V etc. I note that since you made this account in 2024, you have never edited a WP-article with it. [[User:Gråbergs Gråa Sång|Gråbergs Gråa Sång]] ([[User talk:Gråbergs Gråa Sång|talk]]) 20:26, 18 March 2026 (UTC)
::::I always feel like in order to even edit an article, I am required to provide a source no matter what. So there's that too. And also because I worry all my edits would be in vain due to them being reverted. While [[WP:BITE|this policy]] exists, some editors struggle to not bite newcomers (or veterans too). [[User:TheEternalOutsider|TheEternalOutsider]] ([[User talk:TheEternalOutsider|talk]]) 20:44, 18 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::Well, yes, verifiability is a core policy; if you want to add content you need to have sources to go with it. That doesn't prevent you from copyediting, reverting vandalism etc. [[User:Athanelar|Athanelar]] ([[User talk:Athanelar|talk]]) 21:17, 18 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::Being reverted is part of life on WP, and even reverted edits are not necessarily in vain, they can lead to productive conversation, collateral improvement etc. And while I have no idea what article-edits you'd make, why not hope that other editors will agree that your edits are improvements?
:::::There are plenty of edits that can be made without providing a source, obviously. Adding to that, sometimes the source is already in the article, and is easy to use it again. But yes, being able to add good refs correctly is ''essential'' if you want to make any "major" edits that can "stick". [[User:Gråbergs Gråa Sång|Gråbergs Gråa Sång]] ([[User talk:Gråbergs Gråa Sång|talk]]) 06:43, 19 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::Consider this approach:
:::::''"[https://www.thedial.world/articles/news/wikipedia-editors-artificial-intelligance She had a Wikipedia page already, but it was sparse. I clicked edit, added the information that Bonwick attended school in London’s Maida Vale, and cited the Hackney Society book. And there it was. It was thrilling, more thrilling than I had expected it to be. “It’s really satisfying,” said Isidora as we beamed at my laptop screen.]"'' [[User:Gråbergs Gråa Sång|Gråbergs Gråa Sång]] ([[User talk:Gråbergs Gråa Sång|talk]]) 07:39, 19 March 2026 (UTC)
:We have no way of predicting if someone from a past wiki will follow you here and harrass you. What we can say is that first of all it's unlikely, and secondly anyone who did so would swiftly be blocked for being [[WP:NOTHERE]]. [[User:Athanelar|Athanelar]] ([[User talk:Athanelar|talk]]) 21:22, 18 March 2026 (UTC)
::About those who edit mostly if not solely on talk pages instead of directly. I am also nervous that [[WP:BUILDWP|these two]] [[WP:DE|policies]] may be [[WP:WL|nebulously used]] to prune away non-editing accounts or accounts that only appear on talk pages. [[User:TheEternalOutsider|TheEternalOutsider]] ([[User talk:TheEternalOutsider|talk]]) 21:31, 18 March 2026 (UTC)
:::It seems to me that you are far too nervous about potential ways in which hypothetical bad actors might weaponise Wikipedia policies and guidelines against you.
:::Nobody here is out to get you, we're all, as one of those you linked says, [[WP:HTBAE|here to build an encyclopedia]]. There is no mustache-twirling villain waiting in the shadows for you to slip up so that they can report you; and even if there is, the rest of us are not going to descend on you like a pack of wild dogs just because somebody reports you.
:::One of the things Wikipedia encourages most is for people to [[WP:BOLD|be bold and get involved]]. Mistakes are generally very easily fixable on Wikipedia. We ''want'' you (and everybody else) to participate, not to spend your time [[tilting at windmills]]. [[User:Athanelar|Athanelar]] ([[User talk:Athanelar|talk]]) 21:58, 18 March 2026 (UTC)
[[File:Villainc.svg|thumb|upright=0.5|Self-portrait. {{smiley}}]]
::::Hey, I've worked very hard to be regarded as a mustache-twirling villain! {{smiley}} But my efforts keep failing, because I keep helping people too.
::::Seriously though, because there is no notification capability when a past bad actor makes an edit, I do have about a dozen tabs open for weeks at a time to monitor the contributions of some UPE suspects. If there is no activity for a month or so, I close the tab. It clutters the browser, but a "user watchlist" for admins was discussed in the past and rejected due to potential for misuse. ~[[User:Anachronist|Anachronist]] (who / me) <small>([[User talk:Anachronist|talk]])</small> 00:26, 19 March 2026 (UTC)

:As for how many people there are online at any time watching Recent Changes like a hawk. Because I don't want to feel like I have a weight on my back. Thanks again all things considered. [[User:TheEternalOutsider|TheEternalOutsider]] ([[User talk:TheEternalOutsider|talk]]) 00:45, 19 March 2026 (UTC)
::*Not as in monitoring me, but as in making sure [[WP:DUCK|vandals]] are squashed immediately. [[User:TheEternalOutsider|TheEternalOutsider]] ([[User talk:TheEternalOutsider|talk]]) 00:52, 19 March 2026 (UTC)
::Wishing you a successful fresh start, @[[User:TheEternalOutsider|TheEternalOutsider]].
::As for @[[User:Anachronist|Anachronist]] and @[[User:Athanelar|Athanelar]], I think you two should also consider a fresh start … paired up together to do comedy routines. It has taken me a long time to recover from all that mustache-twirling! [[User:Augnablik|Augnablik]] ([[User talk:Augnablik|talk]]) 05:51, 19 March 2026 (UTC)