Editing Eurovision Wiki:Templates for discussion/Log/2025 November 5 (section)

==== Culture sidebars part 7 ====
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The result of the discussion was '''merge'''<!-- Tfd top --> as proposed [[User:Plastikspork|Plastikspork]] [[User talk:Plastikspork|<sub style="font-size: 60%">―Œ</sub><sup style="margin-left:-3ex">(talk)</sup>]] 21:05, 25 November 2025 (UTC)
* '''Propose merging''' [[Template:Culture of Antigua and Barbuda]] into [[Template:Antigua and Barbuda topics]], and '''leave a redirect'''<br />
* '''Propose merging''' [[Template:Culture of The Bahamas]] into [[Template:The Bahamas topics]], and '''leave a redirect'''<br />
* '''Propose merging''' [[Template:Culture of Dominica]] into [[Template:Dominica topics]], and '''leave a redirect'''<br />
* '''Propose merging''' [[Template:Culture of the Dominican Republic]] into [[Template:Dominican Republic topics]], and '''leave a redirect'''<br />
* '''Propose merging''' [[Template:Culture of Haiti]] into [[Template:Haiti topics]], and '''leave a redirect'''<br />
* '''Propose merging''' [[Template:Culture of Puerto Rico]] into [[Template:Puerto Rico topics]], and '''leave a redirect'''<br />
* '''Propose merging''' [[Template:Culture of Trinidad and Tobago]] into [[Template:Trinidad and Tobago topics]], and '''leave a redirect'''<br />
* '''Propose merging''' [[Template:Culture of Caribbean sidebar]] into [[Template:Caribbean topics]], and '''leave a redirect'''<br />

:Note: [[Template:Culture of Cuba]] already redirects to [[Template:Cuba topics]]
:Note: [[Template:Culture of Jamaica]] already redirects to [[Template:Jamaica topics]]

:Note: There is already a [[Template:Aruba topics]]; we never needed a [[Template:Culture of Aruba]]
:Note: There is already a [[Template:Barbados topics]]; we never needed a [[Template:Culture of Barbados]]
:Note: There is already a [[Template:Cayman Islands topics]]; we never needed a [[Template:Culture of the Cayman Islands]]
:Note: There is already a [[Template:Curaçao topics]]; we never needed a [[Template:Culture of Curaçao]]
:Note: There is already a [[Template:Grenada topics]]; we never needed a [[Template:Culture of Grenada]]
:Note: There is already a [[Template:Guadeloupe topics]]; we never needed a [[Template:Culture of Guadeloupe]]
:Note: There is already a [[Template:Martinique topics]]; we never needed a [[Template:Culture of Martinique]]
:Note: There is already a [[Template:Montserrat topics]]; we never needed a [[Template:Culture of Montserrat]]
:Note: There is already a [[Template:Saint Kitts and Nevis topics]]; we never needed a [[Template:Culture of Saint Kitts and Nevis]]
:Note: There is already a [[Template:Saint Lucia topics]]; we never needed a [[Template:Culture of Saint Lucia]]
:Note: There is already a [[Template:Saint Vincent and the Grenadines topics]]; we never needed a [[Template:Culture of Saint Vincent and the Grenadines]]
:Note: There is already a [[Template:Turks and Caicos topics]]; we never needed a [[Template:Culture of the Turks and Caicos Islands]]<br />
:'''Nominator's rationale:''' Follow-up to [[User:Nederlandse Leeuw/Culture sidebars#LAT precedents|Culture sidebars part 1]], [[Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2025 August 10#Culture sidebars part 2|Culture sidebars part 2]], [[Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2025 August 25#Culture sidebars part 3|Culture sidebars part 3]], [[User:Nederlandse Leeuw/Culture sidebars#Culture sidebars part 4|Culture sidebars part 4]], [[Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2025 October 8#Culture sidebars part 5|Culture sidebars part 5]], and [[Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2025 October 8#Culture sidebars part 6|Culture sidebars part 6]]. See also [[Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2025 November 5#Culture sidebars part 8|Culture sidebars part 8]] above. [[User:Nederlandse Leeuw|NLeeuw]] ([[User talk:Nederlandse Leeuw#top|talk]]) 13:09, 5 November 2025 (UTC)
::'''Merge all''' per previous discussions —'''[[User:Matrix|Matrix]]''' <sub>[[Template:ping|ping]] me</sub><sup>when u reply</sup> ([[User talk:Matrix|t?]] - [[Special:Contribs/Matrix|<sub></sub>c]]) 17:22, 5 November 2025 (UTC)
* '''Courtesy ping''' to participants of the Culture sidebars part 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, and 6 discussions for follow-up: {{ping|TheBritinator|Super Dromaeosaurus|Chipmunkdavis|Gonnym|Frietjes|Matrix|DemocracyDeprivationDisorder|Moxy|Renata3|WikiCleanerMan|Absolutiva|Piperium|Pratama26|Achmad Rachmani}} for your information. {{smiley}} [[User:Nederlandse Leeuw|NLeeuw]] ([[User talk:Nederlandse Leeuw#top|talk]]) 13:22, 5 November 2025 (UTC)
*'''Merge all''' per nomination. [[User:Achmad Rachmani|Achmad Rachmani]] ([[User talk:Achmad Rachmani|talk]]) 13:34, 5 November 2025 (UTC)
*'''Update''' I've added [[Template:Culture of Caribbean sidebar]] into [[Template:Caribbean topics]] to the merge proposal. I only just now ran into [[Template:Culture of Caribbean sidebar]], and it is an absolute shitshow: It has 28 links, 16 of which are red, and 4 of which are redirects. Of the remaining 8, only 3 are transcluded (culture, art, and [[Cinema of the Caribbean]]; the latter is the only article that isn't already in [[Template:Caribbean topics]] as well, so this merger is gonna be extremely easy). Note that [[Template:Caribbean topic]] (without an s at the end) is a completely separate template, which might merit its own nomination. [[User:Nederlandse Leeuw|NLeeuw]] ([[User talk:Nederlandse Leeuw#top|talk]]) 14:42, 5 November 2025 (UTC)
* '''Question''' - while these templates aren't really about culture, and thus largely duplicate the "topics" footer, it seems like they're relevant in principle as navbars. Why not just trim them to topics ''about culture'', where they'd be useful? [[User:Guettarda|Guettarda]] ([[User talk:Guettarda|talk]]) 15:20, 5 November 2025 (UTC)
*:Interesting in theory, not worth it in practice. You'd need to arbitrarily split 200+ existing Fooland topics footer templates just for "culture" alone. Currently, "Culture" is usually a subgrouping of "Society" in most of these footer templates, sometimes separately from "Demographics" and/or "Symbols", sometimes not. But which "society" topics are ''not'' about "culture" and which are? What should be part of "Demographics" or "Symbols" instead of "Culture"? That's an endless discussion. Culture is an incredibly difficult concept to define, scope, and demarcate. (e.g. I remember a heated discussion about whether "corruption in Fooland" should be regarded as part of "culture of Fooland", as it implied that corruption is an essential part of how people in Fooland think, talk and act, which suggests an anti-Foolander bias). [[Template:France topics]], [[Template:Spain topics]] and [[Template:Poland topics]], for example, all place "religion" and "languages" in different groupings. But as long as they're part of the same template, that's not much of an issue: readers can find their way, and editors can easily make a few tweaks here and there without risking technical issues. I really wouldn't recommend splitting off "culture" as separate footers; we'd be creating more problems than we'd "solve". [[User:Nederlandse Leeuw|NLeeuw]] ([[User talk:Nederlandse Leeuw#top|talk]]) 16:12, 5 November 2025 (UTC)
*::PS: My views on this question are evolving, thanks to valuable input by Moxy. E.g. [[Template:Antigua and Barbuda topics]] already has 109 links and 87 transclusions. [[Template:Culture of Antigua and Barbuda]] has only 29 links and 16 transclusions, 8 of which [[Template:Antigua and Barbuda topics]] also has. Maybe adding the other 8 ([[Mauby]], [[Cou-cou]], [[Benna (genre)]], [[Ducana]], [[Sugar cake]], [[Antigua black pineapple]], [[Antigua Sunday bread]], [[Antiguan raisin buns]]) could be transferred to [[Template:Antigua and Barbuda topics]] and transcluded, so we could Just-delete [[Template:Culture of Antigua and Barbuda]]. But that does not solve the problem that [[Template:Antigua and Barbuda topics]] is an overpopulated template, and we are making it slightly worse... [[User:Nederlandse Leeuw|NLeeuw]] ([[User talk:Nederlandse Leeuw#top|talk]]) 13:59, 8 November 2025 (UTC)
*'''merge all''' per nom and per prior discussions. [[User:Frietjes|Frietjes]] ([[User talk:Frietjes|talk]]) 16:27, 5 November 2025 (UTC)
*'''Delete or convert to a footer''' pls stop jamming one template into another causing accessibility problems.<span style="display:inline-flex;rotate:-15deg;color:darkblue">'''[[User:Moxy|Moxy]]'''</span><span style="display:inline-flex;rotate:15deg;color:darkblue">[[User talk:Moxy|🍁]]</span> 00:19, 7 November 2025 (UTC)
*'''Merge''' per nomination. --[[User:WikiCleanerMan|WikiCleanerMan]] ([[User talk:WikiCleanerMan|talk]]) 23:25, 10 November 2025 (UTC)
*Add [[Template:Culture of the United States by state]] to the list and add a redirect to [[Template:United States topics]]. [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2025-35009-49|&#126;2025-35009-49]] ([[User talk:&#126;2025-35009-49|talk]]) 03:38, 20 November 2025 (UTC)
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