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== A dataset containing 200,000 architectural objects: is it of interest to the community? ==

I'm new here, sorry.

A well-filtered dataset taken from Wikipedia contains about 200,000 architectural objects from all over the world.

You can check it out here (filters by architects, style and era are available):

[Https://apalladio.org/architecture-around/ https://apalladio.org/architecture-around/]

This is not just a Wikidata issue, as 99% of objects have a link to a Wikipedia page, a description, and so on.

Here is the entire database (SQL dump):

Github: https://github.com/MyropolskyiHennadii/ArtefactsLocation-data

Zenodo: https://doi.org/10.5281/zenodo.18955341

There's also a Java model:
https://github.com/MyropolskyiHennadii/ArtefactsLocation-model

The question is: if it's interesting and useful, how do you use it properly in a wiki? [[User:Myropolskyi|Myropolskyi]] ([[User talk:Myropolskyi|talk]]) 13:02, 11 March 2026 (UTC)

:Really interesting map / app! I just wished this was possible within the standard Wikipedia app. Then more users could make use of this and learn about this as many have that app installed or install it for other reasons. Additionally, it gives people more reason to install the Wikipedia app. I think this could be made possible along with various other things if this wish was implemented whose potential I think is still not understood: [[m:Community Wishlist/W295|W295: Filters for types of items shown on the Wikipedia app Nearby places map]].
:Could you upload some helpful images or ideally videos of what this webapp & mobile app can be used for and/or how to use it? I'd add them to [[:c:Category:Wikimedia projects and maps]]. [[User:Prototyperspective|Prototyperspective]] ([[User talk:Prototyperspective|talk]]) 15:22, 11 March 2026 (UTC)
::Ok, thanks. I'll try to do it in a (next) week. Not sure about video:) [[User:Myropolskyi|Myropolskyi]] ([[User talk:Myropolskyi|talk]]) 15:47, 11 March 2026 (UTC)
::@[[User:Prototyperspective|Prototyperspective]]
::Hi!
::I'm not sure, that it is the best video, but I created it.
::https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7X9ptSoZOU4
::And thanks in advance.
::If something more would helpfull or you have questions - you are welcome. (And I supplemented the dataset-project by presenting a description of the methodology) [[User:Myropolskyi|Myropolskyi]] ([[User talk:Myropolskyi|talk]]) 15:55, 16 March 2026 (UTC)
:::It's useful, thanks. Would be best to also upload it as a webm to Commons and then adding the video to a new wiki page about the tool. [[User:Prototyperspective|Prototyperspective]] ([[User talk:Prototyperspective|talk]]) 23:41, 16 March 2026 (UTC)
::::@[[User:Prototyperspective|Prototyperspective]]
::::Sorry, I'm new here.
::::Could you please explain to me more precisely what I need to do (where I should create the new wiki page and where exactly "Commons" is located)?
::::Thanks [[User:Myropolskyi|Myropolskyi]] ([[User talk:Myropolskyi|talk]]) 06:14, 17 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::The documentation page about the tool/site could be here on English Wikipedia or [https://meta.wikimedia.org/ metawiki]. Commons is [https://commons.wikimedia.org/ here] and the upload form for the webm video (you may need to convert it to webm) [https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:UploadWizard here]. [[User:Prototyperspective|Prototyperspective]] ([[User talk:Prototyperspective|talk]]) 12:10, 17 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::Thank you. Done.
::::::https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Architectural_Heritage_Map [[User:Myropolskyi|Myropolskyi]] ([[User talk:Myropolskyi|talk]]) 14:36, 17 March 2026 (UTC)
:So... this basically shows buildings, artworks, etc. on a map.  When you click on an item, you see the name and some of the Wikipedia article.  Items are mostly located in Europe.  For example, the entire [[Chicago]] area, home to almost 10 million people and [[List of museums and cultural institutions in Chicago|many world-class museums]], had about 8 (eight) points of interest.  
:I'm not sure how it could be useful within Wikipedia.  However, editors at Wikivoyage might find it useful for finding attractions in a similar area.   [[User:WhatamIdoing|WhatamIdoing]] ([[User talk:WhatamIdoing|talk]]) 17:28, 11 March 2026 (UTC)
::@[[User:WhatamIdoing|WhatamIdoing]]
::I do not know, where do you find 8 items. I see 423. If editor allows images, I can set screenshot, but it does not allow me do that.
::If you are using android version - you can go to app-settings and set radius more high. Or just move the map and app suggests you to refresh object. (Check on web-version)
::And by the way: it is not about museums at all, it is not about POI, banks, theaters and so on. It is about architecture. Only. You are walking through Chicago and seeing 423 items.
::Maybe it is not enough for Chicago, but that is what has been found in wikipedia itself for now WITH architectural STYLE. [[User:Myropolskyi|Myropolskyi]] ([[User talk:Myropolskyi|talk]]) 17:41, 11 March 2026 (UTC)
:::The mobile app has something similar ([[mw:Wikimedia Apps/Team/iOS/Maps service|iOS]]; [[mw:Wikimedia Apps/Team/Android/Places|Android]]), idk whether @[[User:JTanner (WMF)]] would be interested? [[User:Kowal2701|Kowal2701]] ([[User talk:Kowal2701|talk]], [[Special:Contributions/Kowal2701|contribs]]) 19:18, 11 March 2026 (UTC)
::::@[[User:Kowal2701|Kowal2701]] @[[User:WhatamIdoing|WhatamIdoing]]
::::Sorry, I did not understand what do you mean with "something similar".
::::Just in case, I've uploaded screenshots to the project, because I can not show them here.
::::One is for Chicago in the Android app, the other is for the web app.
::::In the Android app, we see about 70 objects (within a 3 km radius), while in the web app, we see 483 (within a 10 km radius). 
::::Android app screenshot:
::::https://github.com/MyropolskyiHennadii/ArtefactsLocation-data/blob/main/20260311_202356_Architecture%20Around_android_Chicago.jpg
::::Web app screenshot:
::::https://github.com/MyropolskyiHennadii/ArtefactsLocation-data/blob/main/2026-03-11%2020_41_35-Architecture%20Around%20-Chicago.png
::::I recommend using the Google Play app for Android:
::::https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=myropolskyi.android.locations&pcampaignid=web_share
::::In the web application, there is an "I" icon in the upper right corner, it will show you the legend (including the number of loaded objects).
::::And if you still only see eight objects in Chicago, I have to ask, sorry: are you viewing the web version on your phone? 
::::Have you tried changing the zoom level? If you're zoomed in at 500-1000 meters, you might very well only see eight objects, why not? [[User:Myropolskyi|Myropolskyi]] ([[User talk:Myropolskyi|talk]]) 20:13, 11 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::Sorry for not being clear, I was talking about a similar feature on the mobile [[WP:APP|Wikipedia app]] [[User:Kowal2701|Kowal2701]] ([[User talk:Kowal2701|talk]], [[Special:Contributions/Kowal2701|contribs]]) 20:18, 11 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::Please see my [[#c-Prototyperspective-20260311152200-Myropolskyi-20260311130200|comment above]] regarding that. [[User:Prototyperspective|Prototyperspective]] ([[User talk:Prototyperspective|talk]]) 21:14, 11 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::If only I could read [[User:Kowal2701|Kowal2701]] ([[User talk:Kowal2701|talk]], [[Special:Contributions/Kowal2701|contribs]]) 21:31, 11 March 2026 (UTC)
::::Hey all (@[[User:Kowal2701|Kowal2701]], @[[User:Prototyperspective|Prototyperspective]] and @[[User:Myropolskyi|Myropolskyi]], for those that don't know me Joseph Seddon, an Engineering Manager with Mobile Apps teams (and [[User:Seddon]] in my volunteer time). Firstly just wanted to say I love seeing any and all examples where people do cool and interesting things with data and content. That in an of itself is great. 
::::@[[User:Prototyperspective|Prototyperspective]] thanks for noting that Community Wishlist item about improving and @[[User:Kowal2701|Kowal2701]]'s thanks for highlighting the idea about whether this might fit the mobile apps.
::::We try to keep the apps small in size because mobile data and internet speeds are still an issue for many in the world. This dataset alone would have a big impact on the apps size. We largely use API's to serve and support the features in the apps, in particular the Nearby feature.
::::In this instance the Nearby feature is powered by https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/API:Geosearch which isn't maintained directly by the mobile apps teams. Whilst its certainly theoretically possible to build the feature on the client, it would require a lot of API calls and processing on device. 
::::I think the ideal outcome would be to see how we might be able to add filters and context to Geosearch itself. Would you be okay with me updating https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T360197 to reflect that? [[User:Seddon (WMF)|Seddon (WMF)]] ([[User talk:Seddon (WMF)|talk]]) 09:34, 18 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::The size wouldn't really increase because the dataset is not contained in the app but just queried by the app (Nearby Places map). I don't think it necessarily/intrinsically would require many API calls. I don't know which update you'd like to make to that phab issue I filed; maybe a comment would be more suitable but I guess probably it would be fine. I didn't mean the app should or could have the exact same thing as currently in this app here – things would look and function a bit differently so e.g. probably you could not filter by architect since very few people are looking / would use that but one could filter for architectural buildings and maybe eventually somehow filter and/or add labels for architectural styles or things like that. Filtering for architecturally notable buildings would be just one way to use that; it would be great if this was possible within the app along and integrated with other ways to use filtering. Personally, I'd use it heavily whenever I visit a new city to see additional spots of interest nearby while exploring the city. The app currently can't be used for that albeit there is a lot of potential if just some filtering was possible (the more the better because then one could personalize it further to one's interests). [[User:Prototyperspective|Prototyperspective]] ([[User talk:Prototyperspective|talk]]) 13:48, 18 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::It's hard for me to judge, since I don't know how everything is set up for you. 
:::::But judging by Prototyperspective's response, the application accesses the server "as usually", and increasing the size of the database itself won't cause any noticeable slowdowns in the application's performance.
:::::Indeed, architectural objects can be displayed based on user settings/filters: whether he wants to see them at all.
:::::And I agree that filters by architect and period are unlikely to be frequently used; they're too specific. Furthermore, they're not as "clear" as filters by category.
:::::One thing to consider when using a dataset is that I don't plan to stop working with the database at all in the next two years, so updates are possible. 
:::::I don't think there will be many, and I can't guarantee there will be any, but two or three updates are entirely possible.
:::::(I mean: consider the possibility of reloading/updating the database. Here, we need to focus, of course, on the primary indexes of the tables; they have never changed and will not change, but other fields can change, new records can appear, etc. I am ready, if necessary, to agree on some necessary rules for maintaining the dataset.) [[User:Myropolskyi|Myropolskyi]] ([[User talk:Myropolskyi|talk]]) 16:45, 18 March 2026 (UTC)
:::I go to https://apalladio.org/architecture-around/ which defaults to Munich.  "Search location" at the bottom of the webpage doesn't work, so I zoom out and drag to the US.  I zoom in on the general Chicago area and click the blue "Search objects in this area". It gives me a little cluster of buildings, such as the [[Garfield Farm and Inn Museum]] (all of which are close together and none of which are actually in Chicago proper).  I suspect that it is only searching for objects in a tiny area, and there's no way to know which area it's going to search for (e.g., it's not where the works "Search objects in this area" are showing on the page). [[User:WhatamIdoing|WhatamIdoing]] ([[User talk:WhatamIdoing|talk]]) 20:54, 11 March 2026 (UTC)
::::It's working (at least mostly) for me. It asked to know my location, I allowed that and it centred it on what looks to me the point x=50% y=0% of the 0.01° grid square in which I am geolocated in London and it showed me an interesting selection of points of architectural interest in that area (assuming the points shown are a representative selection of all eligible points, I'd estimate circa 40-50% coverage). Zooming out it appeared to have loaded all the points in a 0.1° grid square. Moving around and clicking "search objects in this area" it appears to load the points in the 0.1° degree area that contains the centre of the screen. The further out from central London the fewer the points it has. 
::::Search sometimes works and sometimes doesn't. I moved to the [[Cheddar, Somerset]] area and it has only two points [[St Andrew's Church, Cheddar]], which it identifies as Medieval architecture (our article just says 14th Century), and [[Cheddar Palace]] which it lists as "Ancient Roman Architecture" and "Events: Creation (approximately):Before Christ Era (BCE), 300 - 399 years" despite it being a [[Saxon]] palace dating to the 9th century CE. I would have expected, at the very least, to also see [[Market Cross, Cheddar]] as an architectural point of interest. 
::::I did also look in Chicago, and I saw lots of points in what I assume to be the same coverage area, including in Chicago proper. I have insufficient knowledge of that city though to estimate how comprehensive it is. [[User:Thryduulf|Thryduulf]] ([[User talk:Thryduulf|talk]]) 21:46, 11 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::When I typed "Chicago" in the "Search location" box, nothing happened.   [[User:WhatamIdoing|WhatamIdoing]] ([[User talk:WhatamIdoing|talk]]) 22:18, 11 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::The search box sometimes works for me as I would expect and other times doesn't, only sometimes autocompletes and when it does autocomplete gives some strange results. For example the first four results each time were:
::::::*{{kbd|C}} {{samp|(nothing)}}
::::::*{{kbd|Ch}} {{samp|Shenzhen, Chengdu, Xi'an, Taipei}}
::::::*{{kbd|Chi}} {{samp|Ho Chi Minh City, Karachi, Changchun, Jinan}}
::::::*{{kbd|Chic}} {{samp|(nothing)}}
::::::*{{kbd|Chica}} {{samp|Boca Chica}}
::::::*{{kbd|Chicag}} {{samp|(nothing)}}
::::::*{{kbd|Chicago}} {{samp|Chicago, Aurora, Joliet, Napierville}} 
::::::Searching {{kbd|Aurora}} the top four results are {{samp|Denver, Colorado; Aurora, Colorado; Aurora, Illinois; Lakewood, Colorado}}. 
::::::When I click on the Chicago entry in the search results, it centres the view on what seems to be the southwest corner of the 0.1° degree grid square containing the centre of Chicago (i.e. {{coord|41.9|-87.6}}) which in this instance is roughly 17 miles south of the city centre), but the view is too zoomed in to see the centre of Chicago. [[User:Thryduulf|Thryduulf]] ([[User talk:Thryduulf|talk]]) 23:45, 11 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::@[[User:Thryduulf|Thryduulf]]
:::::::Yes, it can be so.
:::::::This depends on the free geolocation service (https://secure.geonames.org/...), which sometimes behaves "unreliably".
:::::::I do not even know, what I can do here [[User:Myropolskyi|Myropolskyi]] ([[User talk:Myropolskyi|talk]]) 12:26, 12 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::Thanks, I'll check these places. (The epoche appears from wikipedia-pages, but from one of the synonymes, not from all of them. I mean, if en-page with date was found the first with date, then this date comes to database. It can be and it could be mistakes in such dates) [[User:Myropolskyi|Myropolskyi]] ([[User talk:Myropolskyi|talk]]) 12:33, 12 March 2026 (UTC)
:Thinking about [[Wikipedia:Wiki Shoot Me]], from an editing side such a tool may be useful if it can identify what sites lack photos, articles (or sections in other articles), etc. From a reading side it has its obvious browsing use but that's not something we can really integrate. [[User:Chipmunkdavis|CMD]] ([[User talk:Chipmunkdavis|talk]]) 12:38, 12 March 2026 (UTC)