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== Preye douglas ==

{{np2|Preye douglas}} is a non-native English speaker [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3APreye_douglas&diff=1325240662&oldid=1325229481][https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3APreye_douglas&diff=1325244823&oldid=1325241588][https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Ayra_Starr&diff=prev&oldid=1327318467] who is seemingly using LLMs for all of their major mainspace edits, including many article creations [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Commas_(Ayra_Starr_song)&oldid=1326487024][https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=NI_%28album%29&diff=1325135198&oldid=1164263471][https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_number-one_songs_of_2024_(Nigeria)&oldid=1323524012][https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_number-one_songs_of_2023_%28Nigeria%29&diff=1331234614&oldid=1331232245], as well as using LLM for comments on talk pages [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Rihanna&diff=prev&oldid=1330199899]. They have been warned about this multiple times on their talk page. They have wikilawyered about their use of LLMs [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Preye_douglas&oldid=1331067506#Potential_LLM_use]. I've been following this for a month but both the LLM use [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_number-one_songs_of_2023_%28Nigeria%29&diff=1331234614&oldid=1331232245] and wikilawyering about it [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Ayra_Starr&diff=prev&oldid=1331052359] <small>(bonus, also LLM-generated)</small> are continuing, so here we are. A few examples:
* [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_number-one_songs_of_2023_(Nigeria)&oldid=1331356302] {{tqq|The year began with Ruger's "Asiwaju" holding the top position for four consecutive weeks in January. Early 2023 saw collaborative success, with "Gwagwalada" by Bnxn, Kizz Daniel, and Seyi Vibez spending four weeks at number one, marking one of the year's most successful multi-artist collaborations.}}: The editorializing about collaborative success is unsupported by the source [https://www.turntablecharts.com/news/758]
* [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_number-one_songs_of_2024_(Nigeria)&oldid=1327467890] {{tqq|Together, these metrics reflect the overall consumption and popularity of music within Nigeria's contemporary music landscape.}} has no in-line citation at all
* [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Commas_(Ayra_Starr_song)&oldid=1331225699] {{tqq|In accompanying press materials, the track was introduced as a mid-tempo afropop song that '''combines affirmational lyrics with a reflective tone'''}} I'll let you guess whether the bolded bit verifies in the source [https://www.music-news.com/news/Underground/169097/Grammy-nominated-Ayra-Starr-releases-new-single-Commas]
[[User:NicheSports|NicheSports]] ([[User talk:NicheSports|talk]]) 03:13, 6 January 2026 (UTC)

:[[Gwagwalada (song)]] is considered a collaborative success as the song charted on multiple charts. It reached number one in Nigeria and it's certified 2x platinum. If that doesn't sound like success to you I don't know what would. Not many collaborations achieved that in 2023. As for the Turntable chart methodology there is a source for that added right after "radio and television plays across Nigeria."
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:The line from Commas was basically paraphrasing of what was said in the sources. 
:Over a gentle rhythmic beat with swelling strings; ‘Commas’ exudes breezy confidence with a hint of '''reflection''' from the 21-year old who, in just three years, is already growing to become one of the most vital African artists of her generation. - Music-News
:“Commas” offers fans an intimate look into the vocal growth and journey Starr has embarked on over the last few years. Staying true to her positive and '''affirming''' lyricism, Starr’s latest single spotlights the singer’s continued focus on her growth as she sings, “I carry God so I fear nothing, Steady increasing the commas” on the single’s chorus. – [https://www.okayafrica.com/ayra-starrs-new-single-has-her-staying-focused-on-her-commas/142341 OkayAfrica] [[User:Preye douglas|Preye douglas]] ([[User talk:Preye douglas|talk]]) 03:47, 6 January 2026 (UTC)
::# This is pure [[WP:OR]]
::# The lead had no citations at all, and given there was no body in the article (only a table) all claims in the lead lack in line citation support
::# You did not provide the OkayAfrica article as a source for the third claim. Your statement above misrepresents the state of the article, whether you intended to or not. Please do not do that again
::Did you use LLMs to assist with any of the edits I linked to in my post above? [[User:NicheSports|NicheSports]] ([[User talk:NicheSports|talk]]) 04:33, 6 January 2026 (UTC)
:::@[[User:NicheSports|NicheSports]] It's not [[WP:OR]] because "hint of reflection + affirmative lyricism" can be paraphrased as "affirmational lyrics with a reflective tone." Putting it that way, you are basically still saying the same without copying and pasting. 
:::Typically, lead sections don't really require citations per [[WP:CITELEAD]] and that's just a list article. Apart from the chart methodology, whatever you see on there are facts derived from the table. The table has sources from the TurnTable magazine website. 
:::The OkayAfrica source was cited in other parts of the article. I may not have added it as an inline citation after that line but hey, it's among the references on the page. Since you have a problem with that, you should have just added {{citation needed}} template after that line. But anyways, I will be adding that OkayAfrica reference now. 
:::There is no denying that Artificial Intelligence has become a part of our daily lives, as mainly assistants. So do I use artificial intelligence in my daily life and work? Yes. Do I sheepishly follow whatever AI says without verifying if they are actually credible? No. Do I use LLMs in creating Wikipedia articles? Not so much just basically supportive tasks such as copyediting, and improving grammar but of course with caution as I am well aware of the tendency of these bots hallucinating at times and spreading misinformation. 
:::Are those lines you listed written using LLMs? No. Those are basically the kind of lines you would find on any Wikipedia article about a record chart or song. Long before LLMs editors have always drawn inspiration from existing Wikipedia articles. [[User:Preye douglas|Preye douglas]] ([[User talk:Preye douglas|talk]]) 05:30, 6 January 2026 (UTC)
::::My comment about [[WP:OR]] was in relation to the first example in my original post, namely the phrases "Early 2023 saw collaborative success" and "marking one of the year's most successful multi-artist collaborations" [[User:NicheSports|NicheSports]] ([[User talk:NicheSports|talk]]) 05:51, 6 January 2026 (UTC)
:::::That's basic English. It isn't that hard, really. The song was released in February 2023, that's considered an early part of the year. Still Q1. Now this collaboration goes on to dominate airplay and television charts in a country of 230 million people, topping the national chart and even getting plays in the UK to extent that it made top 10 on one of the country's official chart and still went ahead to shine on a billboard chart while being certified 2x platinum and nominated for Best Collaboration at Africa's version of Grammy Awards. That's huge success. It don't need to be on Hot 100 to be called a success :) [[User:Preye douglas|Preye douglas]] ([[User talk:Preye douglas|talk]]) 06:10, 6 January 2026 (UTC)
::::::{{tqq|Do not combine material from multiple sources to state or imply a conclusion not '''explicitly stated''' by any of the sources. Similarly, do not combine different parts of one source to state or imply a conclusion not '''explicitly stated''' by the source.}} <small>(emphasis mine)</small>
::::::Have you read the [[WP:OR|no original research]] policy? [[Special:Contributions/fifteen thousand two hundred twenty four|fifteen&nbsp;thousand&nbsp;two&nbsp;hundred&nbsp;twenty&nbsp;four]]&nbsp;([[User talk:fifteen thousand two hundred twenty four|talk]]) 15:05, 6 January 2026 (UTC)
:::::::I have edited out that part, leaving the main quote from the artist and I have read [[WP:OR]] [[User:Preye douglas|Preye douglas]] ([[User talk:Preye douglas|talk]]) 19:55, 6 January 2026 (UTC)
*'''Note:''' I forgot to link to the articles for the three examples I provided above. I added those above, permalinked to their most recent version at the time of my initial post [[User:NicheSports|NicheSports]] ([[User talk:NicheSports|talk]]) 04:08, 6 January 2026 (UTC)
*:There you go. No Wikipedia editor is perfect. Everyone makes mistake sometimes. The important thing is admitting it and fixing it or correcting whatever that was wrong. I make sure to double check my articles before publishing. I use sandbox to create. I cannot guarantee that there won't be mistakes but as a community why don't we work together to call out these mistakes when we see them or try to fix them ourselves. Some of the issues like not citing sources properly are things you can point out on the article talk pages and tag the editor to it so they can fix it if you don't want to do it yourself. And these kinds of mistakes are human error, some are caused by the editor not having enough time or probably they have a busy schedule so they weren't able to add all references. These kind of things happen on Wikipedia not trying to say it's a good practice but just saying that calling me out and attributing it to LLM is just unfounded because prior to the evolution of LLMs or proliferation of Artificial Intelligence, Wikipedia has always had citation issues this is just human error, as a matter of fact LLMs I believe have the capability to also cite sources so if truly I was using LLMs I'd probably just program it or train it to write and include citations as well and I bet you they would do it better than most editors here. [[User:Preye douglas|Preye douglas]] ([[User talk:Preye douglas|talk]]) 04:35, 6 January 2026 (UTC)
*::Do you use tools such as Grammarly, Quillbot, or DeepL? Those are AI-based which is not always clear in their advertising. [[User:Gnomingstuff|Gnomingstuff]] ([[User talk:Gnomingstuff|talk]]) 20:09, 6 January 2026 (UTC)
*:::No, I don't use any of those tools. [[User:Preye douglas|Preye douglas]] ([[User talk:Preye douglas|talk]]) 23:29, 6 January 2026 (UTC)

:Going 2x platinum and reaching number one in a country with over 230 million people is success. Not to mention the song penetrated a UK official chart and US billboard chart. Very few Nigerian songs get to that level so that's success judging from where the artists are coming from. [[User:Preye douglas|Preye douglas]] ([[User talk:Preye douglas|talk]]) 04:16, 6 January 2026 (UTC)
:Since when did it become a good practice to copy and paste exactly what sources say. Experienced Wikipedia editors know that first you have to read what's in the source and deliver it in your own words while not straying very far from what the sources are saying. [[User:Preye douglas|Preye douglas]] ([[User talk:Preye douglas|talk]]) 04:21, 6 January 2026 (UTC)
:[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Ayra_Starr&diff=prev&oldid=1334570868] has some AI signs [[User:Kowal2701|Kowal2701]] ([[User talk:Kowal2701|talk]], [[Special:Contributions/Kowal2701|contribs]]) 18:14, 11 February 2026 (UTC)
::Can you be more specific? What was the issue? Is it the citations? Did any phrase sound like puffery? [[User:Preye douglas|Preye douglas]] ([[User talk:Preye douglas|talk]]) 00:22, 12 February 2026 (UTC)
:::It was a language thing, but if the sources support everything there then it’s alright. AI signs aren’t the problem, it’s the [[WP:V]] failures etc. that they indicate [[User:Kowal2701|Kowal2701]] ([[User talk:Kowal2701|talk]], [[Special:Contributions/Kowal2701|contribs]]) 00:26, 12 February 2026 (UTC)
::::Thanks for your response. I checked the portions you highlighted and can't find where [[WP:V]] wasn't met. [[User:Preye douglas|Preye douglas]] ([[User talk:Preye douglas|talk]]) 00:30, 12 February 2026 (UTC)