Editing Talk:Co-counselling (section)

==Relations between CCI and RC==

Mark, please quote your evidence for your assertions that (a) The history of co-counselling including its origins in RC are not taught on most CCI fundamentals classes and (b) that only Some CCI co-counsellors have a benevolent view toward RC.[[User:John Talbut|John Talbut]] 09:17, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

Please quote yours for the assertion that ''On the whole the majority of CCI co-counsellors have a benevolent view toward RC, regarding it as as a different, alternative approach to co-counselling. Membership of RC is not a bar to membership of CCI and a few people manage to do both despite the RC ban. '' I think we're in the realm of opinion here! My source is more than 30 years experience of the British psychotherapy field, numerous conversations and communications with people in both RC and CCI and about 5000 RC meetings (at a guess!). What's yours? [[User:MarkThomas|MarkThomas]] 10:18, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

No, this is not just my opinion.  References:  Richard and Rose's manual, which can be viewed at [http://www.co-cornucopia.org.uk/] and is referred to in the article, liberally acknowledges Harvey's contribution.  In the paper copy there is a chapter detailing the evolution of RC and the development of CCI from it.  Other manuals that can be viewed on the same web site have similar information about the history of co-counselling.  Indeed, even John Heron's original manual (viewable on the same web site) includes this.  See also CCI web sites, [http://www.co-counselling.org.uk/organisation/history.html] is John Heron's version of the story, [http://www.co-counselling.org.uk/organisation/cci-rc.html] (OK, the first bit was written by me) and in the list of web sites at [http://www.co-counselling.org] you may note that Re-evaluation Counselling comes first!

As regards involvement, I guess that my attendance at RC activities would number only a 100 or so, but my attendance at CCI events runs into thousands, including attendance at every European CCI gathering in the past 20 years.  As an example of attitudes within CCI, at the gathering in Hungary this Summer there was a discussion in the business meeting about our relationship with RC.  None of the comments were critical of RC, if anything we were critical of ourselves for not being more positive towards RC!  I have been active in CCI and RC at the same time (and my RC teacher and others in RC knew this) and I know a few other people who have been active in both.

Is this enough?  Can we revert to my version?[[User:John Talbut|John Talbut]] 11:28, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

Where is the evidence for the statement 'RC specifically bans membership to people who have participated in CCI groups actively' come from? I have been involved on and off in RC for 30 years, and am currently active and leading in England - I have never heard this nor is it included in the published RC guidelines. I have an RC counsellor who has been involved with CCI in the past - I have never heard any objections to that. The only pre-requisite I know of is that it is part of the RC contract that what is practiced as counsellor is consistent with RC guidelines. [[User:TheWoosh|TheWoosh]] ([[User talk:TheWoosh|talk]]) 11:48, 23 March 2010 (UTC)