Editing Talk:Tropical Storm Alma (section)

== Record ==

Does it hold the record of being the shortest living tropical cyclone to be retired? Or only in Epac. [[User:HurricaneSpin|HurricaneSpin]] [[User talk:HurricaneSpin|Talk]] [[Special:Contributions/HurricaneSpin|My contributions]] 03:20, 13 May 2009 (UTC)
:That's a pretty trivial record. We wouldn't make the distinction for [[Hurricane Ivan]] that it was the longest lasting Atlantic name to get retired. ♬♩ [[User:Hurricanehink|Hurricanehink]] (<small>[[User_talk:Hurricanehink|talk]]</small>) 03:24, 13 May 2009 (UTC)
::I think it's an interesting stat, actually. –'''[[User:Juliancolton|<span style="font-family:Script MT;color:#36648B">Juliancolton</span>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;[[User_talk:Juliancolton|<sup><span style="font-family:Verdana;color:gray">''Talk''</span></sup>]] 03:29, 13 May 2009 (UTC)
:::I think it's just putting too much emphasis on something as arbitrary as human naming. ♬♩ [[User:Hurricanehink|Hurricanehink]] (<small>[[User_talk:Hurricanehink|talk]]</small>) 03:37, 13 May 2009 (UTC)
::::Being retired (especially for a tropical storm) is a fairly substantial feat, so it's not arbitrary at all in my opinion. –'''[[User:Juliancolton|<span style="font-family:Script MT;color:#36648B">Juliancolton</span>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;[[User_talk:Juliancolton|<sup><span style="font-family:Verdana;color:gray">''Talk''</span></sup>]] 03:51, 13 May 2009 (UTC)
:::::It's just a human-applied naming phenomena, which is totally arbitrary. If there was another similar storm that did the exact same thing, but wasn't retired (or wasn't named), that storm should be no less notable. What's important in its retirement is where it caused the damage and how much it did. Like I said, we wouldn't make the distinction of [[Hurricane Ivan]] being the longest-lasting Atlantic name to get retired. We just say the other important records. ♬♩ [[User:Hurricanehink|Hurricanehink]] (<small>[[User_talk:Hurricanehink|talk]]</small>) 13:48, 13 May 2009 (UTC)
:::::::Why wouldn't we say that...? Seems perfectly valid. –'''[[User:Juliancolton|<span style="font-family:Script MT;color:#36648B">Juliancolton</span>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;[[User_talk:Juliancolton|<sup><span style="font-family:Verdana;color:gray">''Talk''</span></sup>]] 03:10, 17 May 2009 (UTC)
<--Question. Even though it was never a tropical storm and wasn't upgraded as such, what if the May 2004 tropical wave was a tropical cyclone? It killed 2,000 as such in the Dominican Republic (see the Hurricane Ernesto (2006) talk page). Or what if T.D. 11 in 1999 had attained tropical storm intensity? That depression killed nearly 400. The fact is, tropical storm names are subject to human error. We may have little to no idea whether a storm in the deep tropics organized and strengthened enough for a name, and even if we did, it's still a crapshoot. The reason I don't think Alma's longevity should be noted is that, just saying, a more devastating storm may have hit Mexico or Central America and would have been retired, but because of bad organization or little data, it never had a name, meaning there's no name to retire. It may have never happened, but it's still possible. [[User:Hurricane Angel Saki|Hurricane Angel Saki]] ([[User talk:Hurricane Angel Saki|talk]]) 03:45, 17 May 2009 (UTC)
:Those storms weren't named/retired, though; we have to go by the facts. –'''[[User:Juliancolton|<span style="font-family:Script MT;color:#36648B">Juliancolton</span>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;[[User_talk:Juliancolton|<sup><span style="font-family:Verdana;color:gray">''Talk''</span></sup>]] 03:48, 17 May 2009 (UTC)
::What's so important about retirement, though? What's more important is what the storm did. Angel Saki is right, in that there are many other more significant tropical cyclones that weren't retired. Are storms in the NIO or SWIO any less important because there isn't a neat list of retired storms in those basins? Of course not. We don't have to list information that's trivial (like Alma being the short-lived retired EPAC storm), as that is making the info more important than it actually is. After all, the NOAA didn't put any unusual emphasis on it being the shortest-lived retired Pacific storm, so we shouldn't either. ♬♩ [[User:Hurricanehink|Hurricanehink]] (<small>[[User_talk:Hurricanehink|talk]]</small>) 16:02, 17 May 2009 (UTC)
:::It's not that important about retirement, TD 16 caused more death than Fay, Paul alone killed more than Hazel and was not retired. I think it's getting a little bit off topic so how about putting comments in the project page. [[User:HurricaneSpin|HurricaneSpin]] [[User talk:HurricaneSpin|Talk]] [[Special:Contributions/HurricaneSpin|My contributions]] 17:12, 17 May 2009 (UTC)

:I agree, depressions usually gets devastation when they hit land than tropical storms, maybe due to lack of evacuation? Hurricane Paul is an example. [[User:HurricaneSpin|HurricaneSpin]] [[User talk:HurricaneSpin|Talk]] [[Special:Contributions/HurricaneSpin|My contributions]] 04:08, 17 May 2009 (UTC)