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== Camoz87 ==

{{AIC status
| cleanup_status = ongoing
| tracking_subpage = 2026-01-09 Camoz87
}} <!--  Valid statuses: requested, ongoing, unnecessary, completed. Update if needed!  -->

{{np2|Camoz87}}
I've been following this one for a few weeks. This user is a non-native English speaker [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Camoz87&diff=prev&oldid=1330653143][https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Camoz87&diff=prev&oldid=1330654911][https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Camoz87&diff=next&oldid=1311895343] who is relying on machine translation (at a minimum) for their mainspace edits. They have added transvio to articles [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3ACamoz87&diff=1311889950&oldid=1173747808] and have been warned about LLM use 5+ times, by 3 editors, on their talk page. They have created many articles, which are often then draftified by other editors [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Chronicles_of_the_Indias][https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Letter_from_Leonardo_da_Vinci_to_Ludovico_Sforza&oldid=1330620900]. This machine-generated text is insufficiently reviewed, sometimes including references with broken URLs [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3ACamoz87&diff=1330656622&oldid=1330654911][https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3ACamoz87&diff=1331191188&oldid=1330953645]. Here is an example of a material source-to-text integrity issue that I identified [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Spiritual_Franciscanism#Question_about_content_and_source]. [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_Carmina_Burana&diff=prev&oldid=1330936817 This is even worse]: it sure looks like they ran a few hundred poems through an LLM and asked it to summarize them in English. The user shows no signs of changing their approach, continuing to make machine-assisted edits today. [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Toribio_de_Benavente&diff=prev&oldid=1332014869] [[User:NicheSports|NicheSports]] ([[User talk:NicheSports|talk]]) 16:04, 9 January 2026 (UTC)

:There's got to be a quicker way to sort cases like these out rather than a lengthy ANI thread followed by a CBAN [[User:Kowal2701|Kowal2701]] ([[User talk:Kowal2701|talk]]) 17:07, 9 January 2026 (UTC)
::Agreed. Although this one doesn't merit a CBAN, rather a mainspace block. It could have gone to ANI at any point in the last week I've just had ANI LLM fatigue. [[User:NicheSports|NicheSports]] ([[User talk:NicheSports|talk]]) 17:20, 9 January 2026 (UTC)
:::As an it.wiki sysop please consider that this user has been indef banned on it.wiki and is constantly evading the block creating hundreds of articles with LLMs even in his native language. --[[User:Friniate|<span style="color:#B20000;">'''Friniate'''</span>]] [[User talk:Friniate|<span style="color:black; font-size:100%"> ✉ </span>]] 20:18, 12 January 2026 (UTC)
::::Thanks for the heads up. Just filed at ANI where I imagine this will be quickly handled. Pinged you there out of courtesy in case you want to add anything re: block evasion [[User:NicheSports|NicheSports]] ([[User talk:NicheSports|talk]]) 21:03, 12 January 2026 (UTC)
:::::Or not so quickly. Confused by this one [[User:NicheSports|NicheSports]] ([[User talk:NicheSports|talk]]) 23:57, 13 January 2026 (UTC)
::::::I assume people are waiting either for them to respond or to start editing again, they haven’t been active since the 9th [[User:Kowal2701|Kowal2701]] ([[User talk:Kowal2701|talk]]) 00:03, 14 January 2026 (UTC)
:::::::On a related issue, Is there a quick way to get the list of articles edited by them needing cleanup? (I mean, without creating it manually) --[[User:Friniate|<span style="color:#B20000;">'''Friniate'''</span>]] [[User talk:Friniate|<span style="color:black; font-size:100%"> ✉ </span>]] 00:31, 14 January 2026 (UTC)
::::::::For the enwiki pages they've created, see here [https://xtools.wmcloud.org/pages/en.wikipedia.org/Camoz87]. I was going to AfD/prod some of these once the ANI thread was resolved.
::::::::Also noting their global contribs [https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:GlobalContributions/Camoz87] they've been active more recently at es.wiki, porting over many of the same LLM-generated articles. Does this merit a global lock? [[User:NicheSports|NicheSports]] ([[User talk:NicheSports|talk]]) 00:36, 14 January 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::@[[User:NicheSports|NicheSports]] Thanks, but I meant a list of all edited articles like the [[Wikipedia:WikiProject AI Cleanup/Noticeboard/2026-01-09 Camoz87|subpage]] created by @[[User:Fifteen thousand two hundred twenty four|Fifteen thousand two hundred twenty four]]. Is there a quick way to have it or must it be done manually?
:::::::::I'm going to ask to a steward if it's possible to apply a global lock, but I'm not sure if it will be done as an ANI thread on enwiki is still ongoing... --[[User:Friniate|<span style="color:#B20000;">'''Friniate'''</span>]] [[User talk:Friniate|<span style="color:black; font-size:100%"> ✉ </span>]] 15:28, 14 January 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::Yeah I think requesting a global lock is a good idea, they're active at es.wiki and wikidata (though I personally can't tell if their edits are unconstructive). The tables are created by using [[User:DVRTed/AINB-helper]] script [[User:Kowal2701|Kowal2701]] ([[User talk:Kowal2701|talk]]) 15:34, 14 January 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::@[[User:Kowal2701|Kowal2701]] Thank you, I'll have a look at it! --[[User:Friniate|<span style="color:#B20000;">'''Friniate'''</span>]] [[User talk:Friniate|<span style="color:black; font-size:100%"> ✉ </span>]] 16:10, 14 January 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::This Spanish language article they created on 11 January [https://es.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Carta_de_Leonardo_da_Vinci_a_Ludovico_Sforza&oldid=171445258] is a word-for-word translation of the likely LLM-generated [[Letter from Leonardo da Vinci to Ludovico Sforza]]. Given their extensive use of machine-translation on it.wiki, it is probably safe to conclude this was a machine translation. [[User:NicheSports|NicheSports]] ([[User talk:NicheSports|talk]]) 16:14, 14 January 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::(As I thought, the steward I reached confirmed that it's preferable to wait for the conclusion of the ANI procedure here, in order not to overcome local community consensus). --[[User:Friniate|<span style="color:#B20000;">'''Friniate'''</span>]] [[User talk:Friniate|<span style="color:black; font-size:100%"> ✉ </span>]] 16:23, 14 January 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::I didn't use AINB-helper for this one, though that can be a useful tool. The list was fetched using [[WP:CCI|CCI]]'s [https://wikipediatools.appspot.com/contributionsurveyor.jsp contribution surveyor] (uncheck minor edits, set a relevant date range and a large negative bytes value), then formatted. If an editor wants a list of edited articles without creating a new subpage, then contribution surveyor is a more useful tool. [[Special:Contributions/fifteen thousand two hundred twenty four|fifteen&nbsp;thousand&nbsp;two&nbsp;hundred&nbsp;twenty&nbsp;four]]&nbsp;([[User talk:fifteen thousand two hundred twenty four|talk]]) 17:40, 14 January 2026 (UTC)
*Tracking [[Wikipedia:WikiProject AI Cleanup/Noticeboard/2026-01-09 Camoz87|subpage]] created and is accessible at the top of this report, 38 articles appear to warrant further review.{{hp|Friniate}} [[Special:Contributions/fifteen thousand two hundred twenty four|fifteen&nbsp;thousand&nbsp;two&nbsp;hundred&nbsp;twenty&nbsp;four]]&nbsp;([[User talk:fifteen thousand two hundred twenty four|talk]]) 02:01, 14 January 2026 (UTC)

:They have now returned to enwiki and are attempting to G7 several of their article creations, with the edit summary "Italian LTA", which I suppose they are per Friniate, and trying to link to this thread. See [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_Carmina_Burana&diff=prev&oldid=1332887295]. They are also updating the tracking page [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia%3AWikiProject_AI_Cleanup%2FNoticeboard%2F2026-01-09_Camoz87&diff=1332890034&oldid=1332819961] (sometimes incorrectly). Not sure how to interpret this. [[User:NicheSports|NicheSports]] ([[User talk:NicheSports|talk]]) 13:54, 14 January 2026 (UTC)
::Have asked them to engage at ANI, but they appear to be trying to aid in the clean-up? [[User:Kowal2701|Kowal2701]] ([[User talk:Kowal2701|talk]]) 15:05, 14 January 2026 (UTC)
:::Seems like it? Thanks for reaching out to them. Some communication would be helpful. [[User:NicheSports|NicheSports]] ([[User talk:NicheSports|talk]]) 15:13, 14 January 2026 (UTC)
::::Speaking from experience I tend to have a much more malignant interpretation of his behaviour, he has an history of meddling with cleanups also of other users' edits. I think it's also likely that he's continuing to edit with temporary accounts... --[[User:Friniate|<span style="color:#B20000;">'''Friniate'''</span>]] [[User talk:Friniate|<span style="color:black; font-size:100%"> ✉ </span>]] 15:24, 14 January 2026 (UTC)
:::::For example like [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/~2026-92236 this one].... --[[User:Friniate|<span style="color:#B20000;">'''Friniate'''</span>]] [[User talk:Friniate|<span style="color:black; font-size:100%"> ✉ </span>]] 15:30, 14 January 2026 (UTC)
::::::Or [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/~2026-29058-7 this one]... --[[User:Friniate|<span style="color:#B20000;">'''Friniate'''</span>]] [[User talk:Friniate|<span style="color:black; font-size:100%"> ✉ </span>]] 15:32, 14 January 2026 (UTC)
:::::::As I thought, they for example tagged [[Giovanni Battista Ramusio]] as completed, [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Giovanni_Battista_Ramusio&action=history without reverting themeselves]... --[[User:Friniate|<span style="color:#B20000;">'''Friniate'''</span>]] [[User talk:Friniate|<span style="color:black; font-size:100%"> ✉ </span>]] 15:36, 14 January 2026 (UTC)
:@[[User:Friniate|Friniate]] Anachronist took care of things on enwiki [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3ACamoz87&diff=1333182959&oldid=1332937866]. If you want to do anything on the cross-wiki side I'll leave it to you; re-requesting a global lock makes sense to me but I'm out of my depth here. I looked further into es.wiki and since January 7th they've made ~100 edits there [https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Especial:Contribuciones/Camoz87], many but not all of which seem to be machine translations of their recent edits to enwiki. Examples:  [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Geographical_exploration&diff=1332020955&oldid=1322888606][https://es.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Exploraci%C3%B3n_geogr%C3%A1fica&diff=prev&oldid=171411974] :: [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Letter_from_Leonardo_da_Vinci_to_Ludovico_Sforza&oldid=1332894060][https://es.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Carta_de_Leonardo_da_Vinci_a_Ludovico_Sforza&oldid=171445258] :: [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Relaci%C3%B3n_de_Cort%C3%A9s&oldid=1331249353][https://es.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Relaci%C3%B3n_de_Cort%C3%A9s&oldid=171393403], etc. [[User:NicheSports|NicheSports]] ([[User talk:NicheSports|talk]]) 07:02, 16 January 2026 (UTC)
::<del>It's only a partial block from article creation, so not entirely remedied.</del> <ins>(misread the block log)</ins> [[Special:Contributions/fifteen thousand two hundred twenty four|fifteen&nbsp;thousand&nbsp;two&nbsp;hundred&nbsp;twenty&nbsp;four]]&nbsp;([[User talk:fifteen thousand two hundred twenty four|talk]]) 19:24, 16 January 2026 (UTC)
:::They are blocked from creating or editing articles. [[User:PackMecEng|PackMecEng]] ([[User talk:PackMecEng|talk]]) 21:58, 16 January 2026 (UTC)
:@[[User:Friniate|Friniate]] pinging you here per our discussion at a different talk page. I saw [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_AI_Cleanup&diff=prev&oldid=1334562929 this comment] from @[[User:Ca|Ca]] yesterday and thought they might be able to help delete this LTA's LLM creations. From xtools [https://xtools.wmcloud.org/pages/en.wikipedia.org/Camoz87#0] Camoz created 36 articles in the LLM-era (a dozen of which are already deleted); from what I have seen, all of these are likely unreviewed LLM-generated output and many can probably be deleted at AfD per [[WP:NEWLLM]] as long as they have not been subsequently materially edited by another user. Some of them are pretty egregious, such as [[List of Carmina Burana]]. If I weren't traveling I would help AfD some of these but I thought Ca might be willing to take a look. [[User:NicheSports|NicheSports]] ([[User talk:NicheSports|talk]]) 03:57, 25 January 2026 (UTC)
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:::Could start a thread at [[WP:VPI]] for brainstorming a better process? Though this might need to wait until we get a proper policy at [[WP:NEWLLM]]. You might be better off messaging an admin on their talk page, outlining the warnings etc. and asking for a formal warning from them? [[User:Kowal2701|Kowal2701]] ([[User talk:Kowal2701|talk]]) 17:27, 9 January 2026 (UTC)
::::I've been thinking about this for a while and have a few ideas. My two basic ideas are 1) establishing that denials of unambiguous LLM use (a high bar, which will mostly apply when there are multiple talk page comments establishing that a user is a non-native English speaker) should be an automatic, typically indefinite, mainspace block, which the user can appeal by acknowledging the LLM use and accepting a complete ban on LLM editing assistance of any kind including LLM-powered "grammar checkers" 2) asking a few admins who are willing to sanction for LLM use to be more active at AINB. Maybe we do the first round at [[WT:AIC]] or even on someone's talk page to keep things from going off the rails? I would like to get 1-2 admins' input as well, Chaotic Enby for sure and I was thinking Star Mississippi given Star has handled a lot of the LLM blocks at ANI. Where do you think is best? [[User:NicheSports|NicheSports]] ([[User talk:NicheSports|talk]]) 17:44, 9 January 2026 (UTC)
:::::That sounds great, especially the second one. Either ping people to [[WT:AIC]] under the premise that you’ve seen them be active on this, or message one of them asking if it’s a good idea (I’m not the best person to ask tbh). If the responses are positive, then a message at [[WP:AN]] asking admins to be a little active here probably isn’t a bad idea. [[User:Kowal2701|Kowal2701]] ([[User talk:Kowal2701|talk]]) 18:25, 9 January 2026 (UTC)
:::::Not really comfortable with a block criterion applying mostly to non-native English speakers, at the very least it is bad optics and may easily seem discriminatory. [[User:Gnomingstuff|Gnomingstuff]] ([[User talk:Gnomingstuff|talk]]) 20:03, 10 January 2026 (UTC)
::::::The point isn't about non-native English speakers but identifying denials of unambiguous LLM use. There are other criteria that would apply. I'm also not looking for this to be a PAG as much as general guidance, with the goal of reducing time at ANI. Anyways, I'll open up a separate conversation, likely at WT:AIC, in the next few days. [[User:NicheSports|NicheSports]] ([[User talk:NicheSports|talk]]) 23:57, 10 January 2026 (UTC)
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{{Ping group||NicheSports|Kowal2701|Fifteen thousand two hundred twenty four|PackMecEng}} I started to ask for G15 on two articles created by Camoz ([[List of Carmina Burana]] and [[Bernardino Vázquez de Tapia]], but since they are a lot, I prefer to write here before finishing the job: do we all agree to ask for G15 for all the articles created by them? --[[User:Friniate|<span style="color:#B20000;">'''Friniate'''</span>]] [[User talk:Friniate|<span style="color:black; font-size:100%"> ✉ </span>]] 18:54, 22 January 2026 (UTC)

:@[[User:NicheSports|NicheSports]] sorry, I made a mistake with the ping so it probably didn't arrive to you. --[[User:Friniate|<span style="color:#B20000;">'''Friniate'''</span>]] [[User talk:Friniate|<span style="color:black; font-size:100%"> ✉ </span>]] 18:56, 22 January 2026 (UTC)
:One of the three specific G15 criteria ''must'' be met before G15 can be requested, this means there needs to present either LLM communication, non-plausible hallucinated references, or nonsensical citations. Even if an editor is blocked following a discussion, unless there was consensus in that discussion, blanket deletion via G15 is not a default option.
:Other remedies to consider in addition to G15 would be to [[WP:DRAFTIFY|draftify]] the article and leave a descriptive talk page message as to why, AfD, [[tm:ai-generated|tagging]] the article, or fixing the article. [[Special:Contributions/fifteen thousand two hundred twenty four|fifteen&nbsp;thousand&nbsp;two&nbsp;hundred&nbsp;twenty&nbsp;four]]&nbsp;([[User talk:fifteen thousand two hundred twenty four|talk]]) 19:14, 22 January 2026 (UTC)
::@[[User:Fifteen thousand two hundred twenty four|Fifteen thousand two hundred twenty four]] So do I have to write in every G15 request why I think that the article was created by an LLM? I'm certainly not going to fix them, as for the tagging I think that it'd just postpone the problem... Maybe G15 for clear-cut cases and draftification where we have reasonable doubts?
::PS: I didn't suggest a blanket deletion for ''all'' the articles created by them, but only for those already listed in the clean-up page. --[[User:Friniate|<span style="color:#B20000;">'''Friniate'''</span>]] [[User talk:Friniate|<span style="color:black; font-size:100%"> ✉ </span>]] 20:44, 22 January 2026 (UTC)
:::Yes, the page must exhibit one of the three strict [[WP:G15|G15]] criteria before being tagged, and which of those three criteria are best indicated when tagging. Performing a descriptive draftification, either by leaving an appropriate tag or talk page message along with a good edit summary, is often a valid option when G15 is not met.
:::To clarify, the tracking list contains articles which should be reviewed further, some of the listed pages may need no action taken at all, in which case the <code>unnecessary</code> status should be set. [[Special:Contributions/fifteen thousand two hundred twenty four|fifteen&nbsp;thousand&nbsp;two&nbsp;hundred&nbsp;twenty&nbsp;four]]&nbsp;([[User talk:fifteen thousand two hundred twenty four|talk]]) 20:56, 22 January 2026 (UTC)
:::Agreed with fifteen's explanation. I try not to G15 nominate anything that is marginal. I was planning on AfD-ing [[List of Carmina Burana]], as I'm pretty confident that one would be deleted at AfD. I am traveling for work but can look through their other creations for PROD/AfD candidates when I'm back. Anything that isn't deleted can safely be draftified per the machine-generated clause of [[WP:DRAFTREASON]], which is much looser than the G15 criteria, as long as the article also meets the basic rules outlined in [[WP:DRAFTNO]]. [[User:NicheSports|NicheSports]] ([[User talk:NicheSports|talk]]) 22:09, 22 January 2026 (UTC)
::::@[[User:NicheSports|NicheSports]] Ok, you have much more experience than me, if you are going to open AfDs I'll leave it to you then, I'll only check the articles which don't need AfDs or to be draftified.. --[[User:Friniate|<span style="color:#B20000;">'''Friniate'''</span>]] [[User talk:Friniate|<span style="color:black; font-size:100%"> ✉ </span>]] 22:53, 22 January 2026 (UTC)
:::::By the way, I think that TA as [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/~2025-37072-87 this] were most likely always them, so we should pay attention to possible socks. --[[User:Friniate|<span style="color:#B20000;">'''Friniate'''</span>]] [[User talk:Friniate|<span style="color:black; font-size:100%"> ✉ </span>]] 23:24, 22 January 2026 (UTC)
::::::Agreed that looks like them. Probably worth adding a few pages to my watchlist... fifteen often looks out for socks as well. Thanks again for letting us know about the cross wiki behavior btw. [[User:NicheSports|NicheSports]] ([[User talk:NicheSports|talk]]) 23:29, 22 January 2026 (UTC)
:::::::No issue, thank to you for all the work you've done, a wikiproject like this is really cool XD --[[User:Friniate|<span style="color:#B20000;">'''Friniate'''</span>]] [[User talk:Friniate|<span style="color:black; font-size:100%"> ✉ </span>]] 23:35, 22 January 2026 (UTC)
::::::They've done a lot of logged out editing as TAs, more than I care to list. For those with [[WP:TAIV|TAIV]] the majority seem to be under the /20 of {{np|~2026-92236}}, and most recently there's {{np|~2026-29058-7}} which is on a different network. Will monitor for a month or so. [[Special:Contributions/fifteen thousand two hundred twenty four|fifteen&nbsp;thousand&nbsp;two&nbsp;hundred&nbsp;twenty&nbsp;four]]&nbsp;([[User talk:fifteen thousand two hundred twenty four|talk]]) 00:22, 23 January 2026 (UTC)