Editing Talk:Quicksilver (Marvel Comics) (section)

== Infobox image (Jun `08) ==

It looks like we need to revisit the infobox image since we've got more than a little back and forth on it.

Right now three options have been presented:

*[[:Image:Quicksilver.png]]
*[[:Image:Avengers-75.jpg]]
*[[:Image:Quicksilver avengers.jpg]]

Looking at [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Comics/Style guidance#Superhero box images]], none of them is perfect.

Going down the guideline points:
#Fair use criteria:
#*In general, all three meet this. The covers could be knocked down to 300px across, which is relatively minor. The only major snag is that the cover of ''The Avengers'' #185 needs a full FUR.
#Needed elements:
#*Posture, facing, and inclusion of at least the head and torso.
#**Again, in general all three meet the first two points.
#*Contorted image.
#**''The Avengers'' #75 does show a contorted Quicksilver. There are some ways this would work for a speedster, but this really isn't one of them.
#*Hidden elements/obscured images.
#**''The Avengers'' #75 has a good chunk of the torso hidden.
#**''The Avengers'' #185, due to the nature of the image, is a blurry representation of the character.
#*Coloring
#**Of the three, the PNG is the ''worst'' at representing the character's costume colors.
#Image focus/ additional elements.
#*Both of the covers have trouble here since Quicksilver isn't the sole, or primary focus of either.
#Iconic look:
#*Again, bearing the above in mind, all 3 meet this.

Looking at this, yes, the PNG most likely can be replaced, but the two covers aren't improvements.

Are there any other options?

- [[User:J Greb|J Greb]] ([[User talk:J Greb|talk]]) 22:06, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

:Some other ideas.
:*[http://www.comicvine.com/comic/quicksilver/6013/44300/&i=44286 The cover for ''Quicksilver'' #1].
:*[http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v69/DrBat/quicksilver.png Art from ''Magneto Rex'' #3]. 
:*[http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v69/DrBat/quicksilver2.jpg Art from ''New X-Men'' #132.] --[[User:DrBat|DrBat]] ([[User talk:DrBat|talk]]) 22:48, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

::Of the 6, I'd say the one from ''New X-Men'' works best, but lets give Asgardian a chance to comment on this aspect. - [[User:J Greb|J Greb]] ([[User talk:J Greb|talk]]) 11:07, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

: I would cast my vote for the cover of Quicksilver #1, as it's a nice action shot that puts the character in context. A cover is always preferable to a photoedited shot from a panel as the white background makes the image look too clinical. It should also be a drawcard for the layman. [[User:Asgardian|Asgardian]] ([[User talk:Asgardian|talk]]) 06:48, 8 June 2008 (UTC)
::Except "the ideal image is a full-body, three-quarter picture of the character standing straight with no background." --[[User:DrBat|DrBat]] ([[User talk:DrBat|talk]]) 03:27, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
===Side question===
If it isn't used in the 'box, what exactly is the cover of ''The Avengers'' #185 bringing to the article? It looks a heck of a lot like redundant decoration right now. - [[User:J Greb|J Greb]] ([[User talk:J Greb|talk]]) 22:12, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

:Not really. The  Yesterday Quest set the twins on the path to their true origin as the children of Magneto. Very important storyline. I'm really busy right now, but will get back to this tomorrow.

[[User:Asgardian|Asgardian]] ([[User talk:Asgardian|talk]]) 06:29, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

::The story line is, yes, but is the image of the cover fundamental in a readers understanding of that? - [[User:J Greb|J Greb]] ([[User talk:J Greb|talk]]) 11:07, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

: I haera what you are saying, but that falls down on artistic merit and also spirit on intent - that is, promoting interest in the hobby. Many, many SHB images are covers. This is no biggie.

[[User:Asgardian|Asgardian]] ([[User talk:Asgardian|talk]]) 07:54, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

:So, where are we on this folks?

[[User:Asgardian|Asgardian]] ([[User talk:Asgardian|talk]]) 06:11, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

::My comment ("Except "the ideal image is a full-body, three-quarter picture of the character standing straight with no background.") was never replied to. --[[User:DrBat|DrBat]] ([[User talk:DrBat|talk]]) 22:16, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

:::No, it wasn't. That really does mean the article gets bounce back, or to no current image.
:::I can see Asgardian point about the Perez image. And looking at the site you reffing for ''Quicksilver'' 1, there is  a good compromise, assuming we can find out ''where'' it was originally published - [http://www.comicvine.com/quicksilver/29-1467/195979-quicksilver/105-143213/ this one]. It implies movement, uses the prevalent coloring, and is a full, uncontorted body shot. - [[User:J Greb|J Greb]] ([[User talk:J Greb|talk]]) 23:54, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
:::(Actually... back stepping the article at this is a good idea. - [[User:J Greb|J Greb]] ([[User talk:J Greb|talk]]) 23:56, 13 June 2008 (UTC))

: That image is from the Busiek/Perez era on Avengers (vol. 3). I can find this issue. I've no objection that one either, so as long it isn't that horrid Martinez 3/4. We need his ''whole body'' on the cover or in the panel. 

[[User:Asgardian|Asgardian]] ([[User talk:Asgardian|talk]]) 09:15, 14 June 2008 (UTC)


:I'm ok with that image too. --[[User:DrBat|DrBat]] ([[User talk:DrBat|talk]]) 15:27, 14 June 2008 (UTC)

: Tis' done.

[[User:Asgardian|Asgardian]] ([[User talk:Asgardian|talk]]) 09:26, 16 June 2008 (UTC)