Editing Eurovision Wiki:WikiProject AI Cleanup/Noticeboard (section)

== Hmlarson ==

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{{np2|Hmlarson}} is an experienced and autopatrolled editor who tripped {{efl|1325}} with their creation of [[PWHL Takeover Tour]]. If they are using LLMs, the use is occasional, they may subsequently edit some of the content, and I do not think it predates November 2025. See this edit [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Ashley_Sanchez&diff=prev&oldid=1157974525] from 2023 which was definitely ''not'' LLM-generated; compare to the style of the recently-created [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Kimbra_Walter&direction=next&oldid=1330530796 Kimbra Walter]. What seems clearer is that Hmlarson is creating articles with material [[WP:V|source-to-text integrity]] issues; pretty much the entire [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=PWHL_Takeover_Tour&oldid=1333155419#Purpose_and_objectives Purpose and objectives] section fails verification, and is the type of corporate bulleted promo you'd expect from an LLM. Unfortunately, the conversations at [[Talk:PWHL Takeover Tour]] about these issues did not go well, with aspersions I was operating a multiple accounts and no engagement with the potential issues raised [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk%3APWHL_Takeover_Tour&diff=1333138398&oldid=1333137825][https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk%3APWHL_Takeover_Tour&diff=1333140581&oldid=1333139395]. I placed an ai-generated tag on the article, which they removed [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=PWHL_Takeover_Tour&diff=1333155419&oldid=1333142023]. I ran the article through Earwig [https://copyvios.toolforge.org/?lang=en&project=wikipedia&title=PWHL+Takeover+Tour&oldid=&action=search&use_engine=1&use_links=1&turnitin=0] and found some CLOP (nothing remotely worthy of CCI), but {{tqq|945 girls' hockey players participated in clinics and meet-and-greets with PWHL athletes}} is copied word for word from [https://www.thepwhl.com/en/news/2025/april/11/pwhl-takeover-tour-by-the-numbers-a-groundbreaking-initiative-in-review].
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[[PWHL Takeover Tour]]
* The [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=PWHL_Takeover_Tour&oldid=1333155419#Purpose_and_objectives Purpose and objectives] section almost entirely fails verification as noted above
* {{slink|Talk:PWHL Takeover Tour#Potential WP:V issues}} documents additional issues
* {{tqq|The initiative serves multiple purposes: growing the sport's fanbase, '''testing potential expansion markets'''...}} the bolded bit is SYNTH at best; the article neither mentions nor implies testing markets. This is sourced to a primary source, with support for these claims coming from a quote from a PWHL exec [https://www.thepwhl.com/en/news/2024/november/18/pwhl-heads-to-new-cities-in-takeover-tour-of-neutral-site-games]
* {{tqq|'''The rising interest in the PWHL extends beyond its current cities''', evidenced by a new single-day ticket sales record...}} this does verify, but to a primary and promotional source [https://www.thepwhl.com/en/news/2025/november/21/pwhl-to-make-history-with-season-three-puck-drop-tonight]
[[Kimbra Walter]]
* Large and undue [[Kimbra Walter#Philanthropy|Philanthropy]] section with LLM-style formatting. Some promo: {{tqq|The organization operates on core values of equity, opportunity, and sustainability.}}
* {{tqq|Walter is a practicing attorney who has dedicated much of her career to philanthropic endeavors.}} fails verification and is sourced to a primary source [https://www.twfcauses.com/about]
* {{tqq|The trophy, designed by Tiffany & Co., is made of sterling silver, weighs approximately 35 pounds, and stands 24 inches tall.}} completely fails verification, sourced to [https://www.thepwhl.com/en/news/2025/may/27/pwhl-finals-notebook-may-27-2025]
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[[User:NicheSports|NicheSports]] ([[User talk:NicheSports|talk]]) 04:44, 16 January 2026 (UTC)

:I did notify Hmlarson about this thread. I'm hoping we can discuss here; I respect their commitment to the articles they work on and they have clearly done a lot of great work on Wikipedia. I would have preferred to do this at a talk page but after the interaction at [[Talk:PWHL_Takeover_Tour]] I figured it was best to bring here. [[User:NicheSports|NicheSports]] ([[User talk:NicheSports|talk]]) 04:49, 16 January 2026 (UTC)
::From a quick glance [[PWHL Takeover Tour#Format]] also fails verification.
::Given that their only response [[Special:Diff/1333178154|has been to call you a sock]] the odds of interaction here seem slim, but hope springs eternal. [[User:Zygmeyer|Zygmeyer]] ([[User talk:Zygmeyer|talk]]) 05:12, 16 January 2026 (UTC)

:{{tqq|the conversations at Talk:PWHL Takeover Tour about these issues did not go well}} &ndash; No kidding, the [[Special:Diff/1333137310|immediate]] and [[Special:Diff/1333140581|repeat]] [[Special:Diff/1333178154|followup]] condescension and bad faith musings are egregious.
:I've looked at another one of their recent creations, [[Special:Permalink/1325770796|2021–22 PWHPA season]], and it's so full of LLMisms and unsupported OR it's difficult to convey in a concise manner.
:*The {{tqq|Season statistics and results}} section is baffling from a human editor perspective, it's an unsourced section saying there is no source for the information, but makes sense if returned from an LLM.
:*The unsourced {{tqq|Notable players}} section contains a list with no notable players, just model bulletpoints of the types of notable players like {{tqq|International players from various countries}} and {{tqq|Younger players developing their skills}}.
:*The existance of an {{tqq|Impact and significance}} section itself is characteristic of model output, and the mostly-unsourced and editorial contents do not dissuade this notion: {{tqq|The season demonstrated the PWHPA's resilience and adaptability ... The successful navigation of the Olympic season and the continued growth of partnerships proved that the association's ...}}
:This goes on and on. I've not bothered checking for source-text integrity, so much of the article is unsourced OR that it's already well past the threshold of the standards an autopatrolled editor should be holding themselves to. Given this and their recent unconstructive responses to good-faith concerns about their creations, I don't think they should have the perm, but that's something a different venue would have to address. [[Special:Contributions/fifteen thousand two hundred twenty four|fifteen&nbsp;thousand&nbsp;two&nbsp;hundred&nbsp;twenty&nbsp;four]]&nbsp;([[User talk:fifteen thousand two hundred twenty four|talk]]) 05:30, 16 January 2026 (UTC)
::Thanks for looking into this. Agreed on the perm, although I have no appetite for a different venue right now. As for the cleanup, I'm optimistic that it won't be that bad (I was worried when I saw 30k+ contribs). I am pretty confident the apparent LLM use started recently. Now that I have the AINB tracker installed I'll create the tracking page tomorrow. [[User:NicheSports|NicheSports]] ([[User talk:NicheSports|talk]]) 07:43, 16 January 2026 (UTC)
:Yikes, this is a bummer. I agree there should be more women's sports pages condidering how extensive our men's sports coverage is, but this is not the way to do it. I'm also concerned that prior to AI, Hmlarson copy-pasted text from press releases and organization websites and such. Thanks for making the cleanup page. I might try to help chip away at that list soon [[User:MacabreChupacabra|<span style="color: midnightblue">el</span><span style="color: maroon">chupacabra</span>]] ([[User talk:MacabreChupacabra|<span style="color: darkmagenta">talk</span>]]) 04:00, 26 February 2026 (UTC)
:Is anyone able to check their recent edits? I see a few m dashes, and [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=PWHL_Takeover_Tour&diff=prev&oldid=1339711938 22 Feb] seems LLM-generated [[User:Kowal2701|Kowal2701]] ([[User talk:Kowal2701|talk]], [[Special:Contributions/Kowal2701|contribs]]) 23:01, 2 March 2026 (UTC)
::The prose of that edit seems likely, I [[Special:Diff/1341504907|fixed]] an issue with an incorrect ref, but aside from that the edit appears accurate. Spot checks of other recent edits don't show any obvious problems, certainly nothing on the level of the now-deleted [[Draft:PWHL Takeover Tour]]. [[Special:Contributions/fifteen thousand two hundred twenty four|fifteen&nbsp;thousand&nbsp;two&nbsp;hundred&nbsp;twenty&nbsp;four]]&nbsp;([[User talk:fifteen thousand two hundred twenty four|talk]]) 15:38, 3 March 2026 (UTC)