Editing Talk:Korean conflict (section)

== CIA ==

I've taken this from the article:
:CIA sent agents into North Korea from 1950's to 1970's in attempt to create resistance network in the country<ref>{{cite web|url=https://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=11843611|title='Legacy of Ashes' Describes Founding of CIA|publisher=}}</ref> and in same period South Korea sent over 7000 "North Korea demolition agents"<ref>{{cite news|url=https://www.nytimes.com/2004/02/15/world/south-korean-movie-unlocks-door-on-a-once-secret-past.html|title=South Korean Movie Unlocks Door on a Once-Secret Past|first=Norimitsu|last=Onishi|publisher=|newspaper=The New York Times|date=2004-02-15}}</ref> and targeted Chinese and Soviet military advisers with explosives in attempt to worsen relationship of North Korea with their allies.<ref name="joins.com">{{cite web|url=https://news.joins.com/article/12709883|title=[현장 속으로] 돌아오지 못한 북파공작원 7726명|date=28 September 2013|publisher=}}</ref>
It is badly written, and the sources don't seem to support it. If it was improved, it could be reinserted.--[[User:Jack Upland|Jack Upland]] ([[User talk:Jack Upland|talk]]) 11:18, 30 September 2018 (UTC)
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*@[[User talk:Jack Upland|talk]] The Korean source supports and was translated by South Korean military enthusiast from Korean to English[[https://imgur.com/a/SFSuB#uWZpMqH]]! In 1950's the CIA attempted to create resistance networks in North Korea until 1970's when such operations of sending agents ended<ref>{{cite web|url=https://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=11843611|title='Legacy of Ashes' Describes Founding of CIA|publisher=}}</ref>, In same time period South Korea sent over 7000 "North Korea demolition agents" to the north<ref>{{cite news|url=https://www.nytimes.com/2004/02/15/world/south-korean-movie-unlocks-door-on-a-once-secret-past.html|title=South Korean Movie Unlocks Door on a Once-Secret Past|first=Norimitsu|last=Onishi|publisher=|newspaper=The New York Times|date=2004-02-15}}</ref>, there were attempts to worsen North Korean relations with China and the Soviet Union by targeting its advisers with explosives in the country.<ref name="joins.com">{{cite web|url=https://news.joins.com/article/12709883|title=[현장 속으로] 돌아오지 못한 북파공작원 7726명|date=28 September 2013|publisher=}}</ref>

*@[[User:Jack Upland]] the information was inserted by a sock IP of [[User:Chernobog95]], a user that has been blocked indefinitely for block evasion via other IPs  in the past and whom I have had plenty of hostile confrontations with in the past.  The user is from Croatia, according to their geolocation [https://whatismyipaddress.com/ip/77.217.233.160], which explains the poor grammar. [[User:SamaranEmerald|SamaranEmerald]] ([[User talk:SamaranEmerald|talk]]) 18:36, 30 September 2018 (UTC)

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** You have labeled user from Britain as being me. [https://whatismyipaddress.com/ip/86.5.183.150] [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Korean_conflict&oldid=861881483]

***Actually the information was inserted by you. [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Korean_conflict&diff=861833241&oldid=861728011]  <!-- Template:Unsigned --><small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Kirliator|Kirliator]] ([[User talk:Kirliator#top|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Kirliator|contribs]]) 19:28, 4 October 2018 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

**** Actually @[[User talk:Kirliator#top|talk]] "Removing edits of Sock Ip of Chernobog95" Either he meant the IP of British user or IP I have, the wording implies explicitly former as being me too. Information I asserted that he removed is what the Brit reverted/undo'ed his removal.

*****I meant it for you, not the other one, as Kirliator mentions above, and to prevent further accusations and harassment, I’m closing this argument, as it is off-topic with the actual content of the section.  Stay on topic people [[User:SamaranEmerald|SamaranEmerald]] ([[User talk:SamaranEmerald|talk]]) 19:52, 4 October 2018 (UTC) {{resbox}}
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******@[[User:SamaranEmerald]] Why did you remove it yet again when another user disputed your removal? You can use me as excuse yet doesn't justify ignoring dispute from another user.

* I translated it into Korean and it says nothing about what the IP said. [[User:Kirliator|Kirliator]] ([[User talk:Kirliator|talk]]) 18:54, 4 October 2018 (UTC)

**@[[User talk:Kirliator|talk]] "One veteran, who asked to remain anonymous, said "We've directly targeted Chinese and Soviet advisors with explosives." Nature of these operations were to worsen the relationship between North Korea and its allies by putting North Korea in a precarious position. He also said "these operations were mostly carried out in retaliation against North Korean provocations." [https://imgur.com/a/SFSuB#uWZpMqHg

:It's always good to get information about attacks on the North, rather than just attacks by the North. I have added a sentence from the Onishi article. The "Legacy of Ashes" article barely mentions Korea, and appears to refer to the Korean War rather than the later period. I'm not comfortable about using the Korean source because I can't read Korean (despite the rumours that I am a North Korean military officer) and I can't assess if it is a reliable source.--[[User:Jack Upland|Jack Upland]] ([[User talk:Jack Upland|talk]]) 09:33, 5 October 2018 (UTC)

::The Imgur source isn’t reliable either since the site is meant as a photo-sharing blog site and is not scholarly, in addition the anonymous source mentioned is questionable as it technically could be anyone who stated that. [[User:Kirliator|Kirliator]] ([[User talk:Kirliator|talk]]) 09:42, 5 October 2018 (UTC)

:::@[[User:Jack Upland]] Kirlator is SamaranEmerald, both socket puppets of Hornetzilla78 as is PythonDan too! He lied to you about the Korean source not containing information about south korean "North Korea Demolition Agents", translation was done by reddit user from SK who was military conscript Mojave955. [[Special:Contributions/77.217.233.160|77.217.233.160]] ([[User talk:77.217.233.160|talk]]) 00:33, 9 October 2018 (UTC)

::::I have incorporated this information in the paragraph which begins, "In 1976, in now-declassified minutes..." This paragraph deals with various raids by SK forces into NK.--[[User:Jack Upland|Jack Upland]] ([[User talk:Jack Upland|talk]]) 01:08, 13 October 2018 (UTC)

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