Editing Eurovision Wiki:Contributor copyright investigations (section)

=== Jack1956 ===
* {{User5|Jack1956}}
* Check requested by [[User:MrLinkinPark333|MrLinkinPark333]] ([[User talk:MrLinkinPark333|talk]])
* I came across this user while examing the close paraphrase tag at [[William Perry Fogg]]. I can confirm that the majority of this article closely paraphrases and copies [https://web.archive.org/web/20190518092806/https://case.edu/ech/articles/f/fogg-william-perry Encyclopedia of Cleveland History]. This close parahprasing occured when the user created the article in [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=William_Perry_Fogg&oldid=900408088 June 2019] and is in the current revision of the article. I decided to look at this user's current edits to see if there were any vios. I found the following:

*October 2024: [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Auguste%20Charles%20Valadier&diff=prev&oldid=1252658994 Auguste Charles Valadier] copies/closely paraphrases this [https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/pdf/10.1177/003591577406700845?download=true Sage journal] article. Per [https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:UK_non-Crown_copyright_flowchart.pdf UK copyright] and [[Commons:Hirtle chart]], the copyright was restored in the USA during 1996. This Sage article from 1974 did not become public domain then because UK copyright is 70 years PMA. 
*February 2024: Upon creation, [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Arthur%20Moreland%20(artist)&oldid=1210197650 Arthur Moreland (artist)] closely copies the [https://web.archive.org/web/20240225124722/https://www.original-political-cartoon.com/cartoon-gallery/artists/moreland-arthur-1867-1951/ Political Cartoon Gallery] source.
*June 2023: The creation of [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Clive_Gardiner&oldid=1159179102 Clive Gardiner] closely copies [https://archive.org/details/dictionaryofarti0000buck/page/462/mode/2up?q=gardiner Artists in Britain Since 1945]
*January 2023: [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=William_Bradbury_(printer)&diff=prev&oldid=1135633091 Two] [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=William_Bradbury_(printer)&diff=prev&oldid=1135640872 edits] at [[William Bradbury (printer)]] are copied from ODNB. The [https://www-oxforddnb-com.wikipedialibrary.idm.oclc.org/display/10.1093/ref:odnb/9780198614128.001.0001/odnb-9780198614128-e-76346?rskey=P8BrLT&result=13 online version] predates these edits as it's from 2021.
*Alternatively, I've found unattributed PD copying added in May 2023 at [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=The%20Prince%20and%20the%20Beggar%20Maid%20(play)&diff=prev&oldid=1155761402 The Prince and the Beggar Maid (play)] from a [https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/28141924 1910 article.] [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Laetitia_Withall&diff=prev&oldid=934995693 Laetitia Withall] has unattributed Wikipedia copying added in January 2020 that originated from [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?diff=422189269 Selina Martin] in Martins' 2011 article creation. I am concerned that this long-time user has made multiple recent copyvios. I believe that a CCI is needed. If you have any questions, feel free to ask. Thank you! [[User:MrLinkinPark333|MrLinkinPark333]] ([[User talk:MrLinkinPark333|talk]]) 02:05, 18 August 2025 (UTC)
::Wow! I feel like I'm on trial here! It is my intention to answer each allegation/accusation point by point, when I have the time. In my defence, when writing my articles I regularly check them with Wiki's copyvio tools. [[User:Jack1956|Jack1956]] ([[User talk:Jack1956|talk]]) 21:31, 18 August 2025 (UTC)

::[[William Perry Fogg]] - the copyvios appear to have been written by an Anon IP at the same time I was constructing the article in its early stages. [[User:Jack1956|Jack1956]] ([[User talk:Jack1956|talk]]) 21:37, 18 August 2025 (UTC)
 
::[[Auguste Charles Valadier]] - I cannot see where the supposed copyvios are in the article.
 
::[[Arthur Moreland (artist)]] - the disputed section is a list of his publications; you can't copyright a list of someone's works.
 
::[[Clive Gardiner]] - the article as it stands bears no resemblance to the alleged source, which was used only in the early stages of writing the article as a template for a complete rewording.

::[[William Bradbury (printer)]] - the article bears no similarity to the ODNB article. I've run various copyvio checks on it.
 
::[[The Prince and the Beggar Maid (play)]] - the (out of copyright) source from 1910 is fully attributed in the references [[User:Jack1956|Jack1956]] ([[User talk:Jack1956|talk]]) 22:28, 18 August 2025 (UTC)
:::Here is my reasoning:
:::*Fogg: The IP did not introduce the copyvio. This IP editor added references on June 6th. The copyvio originated when you created the article on June 5th.
:::*Valadier: Please compare the paragraph with page 786.
:::*Moreland: The entire source is copied and follows the same structure. Examples of copying/close para are "striking caricature the newspaper’s executive Ernest Parke was seen by Parke who, instead of sacking Moreland appointed him to the art department" and "contributed to the Liberal landslide of 1906 and the revival of Liberalism."
:::*Gardner: I request that you re-examine page 463 of Artists in Britain Since 1945. The last paragraph closely paraphrases/copies and follows the exact same order of the encyclopedia entry. It is also still in the current revision.
:::*Bradbury: Earwig copyright check does not work on sources that are hidden by subscriptions. 
:::*Prince and the Beggar: Any Public domain copying needs [[Template:Source-attribution]].
:::I think another user should examine these revisions as there is a disagreement. [[User:MrLinkinPark333|MrLinkinPark333]] ([[User talk:MrLinkinPark333|talk]]) 00:06, 19 August 2025 (UTC)

I am taking a look at these, and I'll comment one by one.
*Fogg.  I don't think there was a significant close paraphrasing problem as of today, but I've modified the text to be sure.
*Valadier. I'm not sure what copyvios are being asserted. Which paragraph on p. 786, and which text in the article?  If you think it is too closely paraphrased, by all means, modify it. 
*Moreland. I do not think that "his striking caricature of the newspaper’s executive Ernest Parke was seen by Parke who, instead of sacking Moreland appointed him to the art department" is too closely paraphrased from the source's "A vivid caricature drawn by Moreland of Ernest Parke, then an executive on the paper, found its way to its subject and, rather than being dismissed, Moreland found himself appointed to the art staff." Again, I don't think there was significant close paraphrasing in our article, but I tweaked the text. 
*Gardner.  My goodness, that is nothing like close paraphrasing.  I must say that one has to work extremely hard to find the few words of that profile spread out among the paragraphs of this biography.  When you merely state facts that are derived from a source, it is not close paraphrasing. For example, the name of the schools that he attended have to come from one source or another.
*Bradbury. Same
*Prince. What text from this PD source do you think is unattributed?
Overall, I don't see anything concerning here. -- [[User:Ssilvers|Ssilvers]] ([[User talk:Ssilvers|talk]]) 19:59, 13 September 2025 (UTC)

:*Valadier: This [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Auguste%20Charles%20Valadier&diff=prev&oldid=1252658994 paragraph] in comparison to the first two paragraphs of the [https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/pdf/10.1177/003591577406700845?download=true Sage Journa]l page 786.
:*Gardner: An almost word for word copy is "'''Under the influence of Puvis de Chavannes he had shown for several years''' at the Royal Academy and the New English Art Club."  The part in bold is the most concerning part. Examples of close paraphrasing is "Turning to illustration, he provided artwork for books written by his father as well as taking up portrait painting and designing posters". 
:*Bradbury: Example of close paraphrasing is "where eventually their business occupied the whole street and where they installed a newly-designed large, steam-driven cylinder printing press which they kept running twenty-four hours a day six days a week."
:*Prince: The production and synopis pagrapgrahs. Please see the [https://copyvios.toolforge.org/?lang=en&project=wikipedia&title=The+Prince+and+the+Beggar+Maid+%28play%29&oldid=&use_engine=0&use_links=0&turnitin=0&action=compare&url=https%3A%2F%2Ftrove.nla.gov.au%2Fnewspaper%2Farticle%2F28141924 Earwig] report.
:[[User:MrLinkinPark333|MrLinkinPark333]] ([[User talk:MrLinkinPark333|talk]]) 20:27, 13 September 2025 (UTC)
:Sorry, Ssilvers, I get you and Jack have worked a lot together[https://xtools.wmcloud.org/articleinfo/en.wikipedia.org/User_talk:Ssilvers#top-editors][https://xtools.wmcloud.org/articleinfo/en.wikipedia.org/User_talk:Jack1956#top-editors][https://sigma.toolforge.org/editorinteract.py?users=Ssilvers&users=Jack1956&users=&startdate=&enddate=&ns=&server=enwiki], but there's still issues here. Let's look at a random paragraph from the Valadier example. I've used bold text to make direct overlaps, but you'll notice quickly just how similar the overall structure of the two paragraphs is. I've underlined material that is essentially the same, but reworded slightly.
:*{{tqq|Much of this work was done '''at his own expense''', <u>while his own dental technicians in his '''dental laboratory''' in Paris fashioned the dental appliances necessary for the treatment of fractures to the jaw</u>. '''It was decided that in the operating theatre Valadier''' <u>would require the assistance of a trained surgeon, and so Harold Gillies joined his team.</u> <u>It is not known how long Gillies stayed with Valadier, but it was certainly long enough to inspire in Gillies a '''desire to learn more about''' this new medical '''treatment'''</u>}} (from Wiki article)
:*{{tqq|He had provided much of the equipment largely '''at his own expense''', and a '''dental laboratory''' ''in which his own technicians from Paris made the various dental appliances used in the treatment of jaw fractures.'' '''It was decided that in the operating theatre Valadier''' <u>should be assisted by a medical man, and in this capacity Gillies was sent to work with him.</u> This was Gillies' introduction to a new kind of wound, and he soon realized that they needed a special type of surgical equipement. <u>How long Gillies remained with Valadier is not known, but the experience produced in him an intense interest and the '''desire to learn more about''' the methods of '''treatment'''.</u>}} (from SAGE article)
:@[[User:Jack1956|Jack1956]] I note above that you say you regularly {{tqq|regularly check them with Wiki's copyvio tools}}; I think that may be the crux of the issue. Tools like Earwig's only pick up direct copy-paste issues, and it's easily fooled by swapping synonyms, swapping the order of clauses, or adding extra words. I think you may have accidentally trained yourself to do that. For example, {{tqq|treatment of jaw fractures}} is completely natural and concise English, that can't reasonably be said to be a copyright issues- but in the article, that's been turned into the slightly tortured {{tqq|treatment of fractures to the jaw}}. That's stopping that sentence from showing up on Earwig's tool, but it hasn't stopped the sentence from being, fundamentally, the same. (You can see that if you zoom out a little: they both follow the form of "Work done at own expense, some type of conjunction, dental technicians from Paris made dental appliances to treat jaw fractures") Looking at other article, for example, [[Alfred Ellis (photographer)#Legal cases]][https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Alfred_Ellis_(photographer)&oldid=1164722133], created 2023, and there's the same issue. The overall presentation of ideas is roughly identical, even if enough words have been changed that Earwig's tool can't see it. [[User:GreenLipstickLesbian|<span style="color:#EB0533;">GreenLipstickLesbian</span>]][[User Talk:GreenLipstickLesbian|💌]][[Special:Contribs/GreenLipstickLesbian|🦋]] 20:29, 13 September 2025 (UTC)
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