Editing Talk:2025 India–Pakistan conflict (section)

== Swiss report should be put in analysts section ==

According to Swiss Think Tank Center for Military History and Perspective Studies Indian Air Force had succeeded
in achieving air superiority and force Pakistan for a ceasefire after striking several pakistani air bases. It conduces that visual documented evidence says that Pakistan lost 4 aircrafts and India lost 3 aircrafts. It also says that  In contrast to the Indians, the Pakistanis couldn’t support their claims with satellite imagery or open-source material.

https://chpm.ch/wp-content/uploads/Operation-SIndoor-15-January-2026.pdf [[User:Samsam111|Samsam111]] ([[User talk:Samsam111|talk]]) 04:05, 5 February 2026 (UTC)
:Where does it say Pakistan lost 4 aircraft and India only 3?[[User:Slatersteven|Slatersteven]] ([[User talk:Slatersteven|talk]]) 12:20, 5 February 2026 (UTC)
::Page no 39 It is shown in a table. Figure 8 Claims and confirmed losses. It says both India and pakistan claims and neutral claims as visually documented loss in the table [[User:Samsam111|Samsam111]] ([[User talk:Samsam111|talk]]) 04:14, 7 February 2026 (UTC)
:::It cites "Air Chief Marshal Amar Preet Singh, conference at the LM Katre Memorial, 9 August 2025" as the source for your claim "force Pakistan for a ceasefire after striking several pakistani air bases". It cannot be used here.
:::You should read [[WP:CT/SA]] and avoid editing any Indian military topics until you have gained [[WP:ECP]]. [[User:Orientls|Orientls]] ([[User talk:Orientls|talk]]) 08:02, 7 February 2026 (UTC)
:::Figure 8 also says visually documented, it does not claim these are the only losses (or even that they are actually losses), only that there is visual confirmation (of damage, not loss). In fact, it only claims (as most) that 2 Pakistani may have been destroyed, whereas 3 indian aircraft were. [[User:Slatersteven|Slatersteven]] ([[User talk:Slatersteven|talk]]) 11:17, 7 February 2026 (UTC)
::::The report came from a neutral source and can be put here. It came  from a reputable military analysys agency. Also different reports says different things. It says visually documented evidence provide proof of 2 to 4 Pak aircraft destroyed. This includes satellite images. It clearly says India achieved air superiority after destroying several pak air bases and air hangars and in return pakistan couldn't do any damage against Indian air bases and India gave clear evidence of this using satellite images whereas pakistan didn't give any clear source as proof for their claims. [[User:Samsam111|Samsam111]] ([[User talk:Samsam111|talk]]) 11:57, 9 February 2026 (UTC)
:::::So where does it say Pakistan lost 4 aircraft? [[User:Slatersteven|Slatersteven]] ([[User talk:Slatersteven|talk]]) 16:56, 9 February 2026 (UTC)
::::::The report mention this in the table on page 39. Its says visually documented evidence suggest it. [[User:Samsam111|Samsam111]] ([[User talk:Samsam111|talk]]) 04:49, 12 February 2026 (UTC)
:::::::I have already pointed out that damaged and destroyed are not the same thing. So am  now going  to bow out with a firm NO.[[User:Slatersteven|Slatersteven]] ([[User talk:Slatersteven|talk]]) 11:36, 12 February 2026 (UTC)
::::::::The report says lots of other things other than number of aircraft. It clearly says India achieved air superiority against pakistan after destroying several air bases and provided satellite image as proof. While pakistani strikes conducted between 7 and 10 May 2025 had been largely thwarted by Indian defences. It says 4 aircraft's are damaged or destroyed. This can be mentioned. [[User:Samsam111|Samsam111]] ([[User talk:Samsam111|talk]]) 03:34, 16 February 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::All of which we already cover. [[User:Slatersteven|Slatersteven]] ([[User talk:Slatersteven|talk]]) 10:45, 16 February 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::At this rate, I just wish both sides would actually tell what losses they faced. It's getting hard to find sources withouth jingoism, and those that can be found are being thrashed like this. I just wish India will tell we lost a mirage, a su30 and a rafale, and Pakistan confirm thiere aewacs, mirage5s and base damage. [[User:4-RAZOR 01|4-RΔ𝚉🌑R-01𝕏 ]] ([[User talk:4-RAZOR 01|talk]]) 14:56, 17 February 2026 (UTC)

::::::::This report is new one and whatever said seems not covered. Also this analysts section was ok for almost several months. Then a one sided US report which support pakistani narrative  came and it was put here in analysts section without a second thought although the report is wrong and one sided . Thats itself is one sided act and not  a balanced approach. Now a Swiss report came and because it is not siding with pakistani narrative its getting rejected. Why to add the US report which came very late and why to reject this Swiss report. Is this a wiki page or pakistani propaganda page. this wont last in wiki for long. [[User:Tesremt|Tesremt]] ([[User talk:Tesremt|talk]]) 04:18, 26 February 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::In my opnion the article is balanced enough i do have some quibble about certain wording and sources but I think it's alright for now as time passes more sources will come to light then we can revist this. Also please don't take an agrressive approch to whatever is it you're pushing there is a system in place learn about it. [[User:DataCrusade1999|DataCrusade1999]] ([[User talk:DataCrusade1999|talk]]) 14:11, 17 March 2026 (UTC)