Editing Talk:Grand Chancellor of Lithuania (section)

== Merge proposal ==
I propose merging [[Great Seal of Lithuania]] into [[Grand Chancellor of Lithuania]]. I am not convinced that [[Great Seal of Lithuania]] meets [[WP:GNG]]. The seal, issued in the ruler’s name, was closely linked to the office of the chancellor; it was the main instrument and symbol of his authority. In fact, virtually all the content of the article on the seal falls within the scope of the article on the chancellor, and separating them effectively amounts to repeating the same content. [[User:Marcelus|Marcelus]] ([[User talk:Marcelus|talk]]) 19:21, 10 February 2026 (UTC)
:I think it's worthwhile to keep them separate, because the seal itself as an object was very valuable historically speaking.--[[User:&#43;JMJ+|&#43;JMJ+]] ([[User talk:&#43;JMJ+|talk]]) 20:38, 11 February 2026 (UTC)
::{{replyto|+JMJ+}} I agree that the [[Great Seal of Lithuania]] '''should be a separate article''' because this object is highly notable and was used from the Middle Ages until 1795, and is described in [[WP:RS]] texts as a separate notable object from the officer [[Grand Chancellor of Lithuania]] who only possessed this notable object (e.g. see: book [https://kupdf.net/download/the-history-of-lithuania_5b05248ee2b6f5fe69e940eb_pdf The History of Lithuania], p. 76; book [https://etalpykla.lituanistika.lt/object/LT-LDB-0001:B.03~2010~1367174479524/B.03~2010~1367174479524.pdf Lietuvos Didžioji Kunigaikštija ir jos tradicija], p. 167, search for Lithuanian words "didysis Lietuvos antspaudas"; [https://www.vle.lt/straipsnis/liublino-unija/ Universal Lithuanian Encyclopedia's article about the Union of Lublin], search for a Lithuanian word "antspaudas"; [https://cyfrowe.mnw.art.pl/en/search-results?phrase=Great%2520Seal%2520of%2520Lithuania catalog of the National Museum in Warsaw] where its English name is used; [https://warszawa.ap.gov.pl/wp-content/uploads/2021/07/vivat_konstytucja.pdf English publication by the State Archive in Warsaw], p. 8, where the Grand Chancellor of Lithuania is not even mentioned; establishment story of the Vilnius University which is presented in the article and is supported by two WP:RS; etc.). The Grand Chancellor of Lithuania also possessed the [[Lithuanian Metrica]] and it would be an absurd to merge the article Lithuanian Metrica to the article about the Grand Chancellor of Lithuania because the object Lithuanian Metrica is also highly notable separately from the officer who historically possessed it. There are many articles about other national seals in the [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:National_seals category "National seals"]. Moreover, the article about the Great Seal of Lithuania has potential for further expansion (e.g. analysis of different periods Great Seals of Lithuania, usage, etc.). -- [[User:Pofka|<span style="color:#fdb913;"><strong>Po</strong></span><span style="color:#006a44;"><strong>fk</strong></span><span style="color:#c1272d;"><strong>a</strong></span>]] ([[User talk:Pofka|talk]]) 11:11, 15 February 2026 (UTC)
:::Today [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Great_Seal_of_Lithuania&diff=prev&oldid=1338647632 additional reliable sources were added to the article] about the Great Seal of Lithuania. For example, in Wojciech Krawczuk's book ''[http://adacta.archiwa.net/file/sigismundus1.pdf Pieczęcie Zygmunta III Wazy]'' (pages 34–35) a detailed analysis of the appearance of two versions of the Great Seal of Lithuania from the reign of [[Sigismund III Vasa]] is presented. Articles about other countries similar status seals: [[Great Seal of Australia]], [[Great Seal of Canada]], [[Great Seal of Scotland]], [[Great Seal of the United States]] demonstrates how such separate articles about national seals can be developed and article about the Great Seal of Lithuania definitely has the same potential to be expanded, improved as a separate article. The Great Seal of Lithuania is not less notable than these Australian/Canadian/Scottish/American national seals. -- [[User:Pofka|<span style="color:#fdb913;"><strong>Po</strong></span><span style="color:#006a44;"><strong>fk</strong></span><span style="color:#c1272d;"><strong>a</strong></span>]] ([[User talk:Pofka|talk]]) 17:02, 16 February 2026 (UTC)
:Many seals are separately notable. Whether this one is depends on whether the sources in the article about the Seal meet [[WP:SIGCOV]]. Do they? If they do, no merge needed. Otherwhise, merge. <sub style="border:1px solid #228B22;padding:1px;">[[User:Piotrus|Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus]]&#124;[[User talk:Piotrus|<span style="color:#7CFC00;background:#006400;"> reply here</span>]]</sub> 03:00, 15 February 2026 (UTC)
:: @[[User:+JMJ+|+JMJ+]] @[[User:Piotrus|Piotrus]]: it seems to me that the topic is borderline [[WP:SIGCOV]]; I have not encountered any study that would describe this seal as a separate entity. Primarily because there was no single "Great(er) Seal of Lithuania" - after a ruler’s death it was destroyed and a new one was prepared (which sometimes took some time) with different set of CoAs and legend. So in total there were more than a dozen of them. Moreover, the "Lesser Seal of Lithuania", contrary to what the name suggests, was equal in status to the greater seal and had the same legal significance. It would therefore be logical, if they are to be described at all, to cover them together in a single article: [[Greater and Lesser Seal of Lithuania]]. Moreover equally notable are also the Crown seals.[[User:Marcelus|Marcelus]] ([[User talk:Marcelus|talk]]) 14:42, 16 February 2026 (UTC)
:::[[Lesser Seal of Lithuania]] does not exist. Maybe the best outcome would be to expand the Greater article with info on Lesser seal and rename it? <sub style="border:1px solid #228B22;padding:1px;">[[User:Piotrus|Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus]]&#124;[[User talk:Piotrus|<span style="color:#7CFC00;background:#006400;"> reply here</span>]]</sub> 05:30, 17 February 2026 (UTC)
::::Or maybe simply [[Seals of the Grand Duchy of Lithuania]]? It would be good to get an input from more people. [[User:Marcelus|Marcelus]] ([[User talk:Marcelus|talk]]) 10:01, 18 February 2026 (UTC)
:::::The Great Seal of Lithuania is highly important in the history of Lithuania and internationally (given the historic territory size of the Grand Duchy of Lithuania), so a separate article [[Great Seal of Lithuania]] should be kept. The great and lesser seals of Lithuania have some similarities, however they historically were completely different objects, so one article about great and lesser seals of Lithuania would not be a viable solution and I oppose that.--[[User:Ed1974LT|Ed1974LT]] ([[User talk:Ed1974LT|talk]]) 10:09, 20 February 2026 (UTC)