Editing Eurovision Wiki:Biographies of living persons/Noticeboard (section)

== Banksy's identity ==
For those interested: [[Talk:Banksy#Identity]] and [[Talk:Banksy#Identity should no longer be disputed]]. 

[[Reuters]] recently released this investigative report into [[Banksy]]'s real identity: https://www.reuters.com/investigates/special-report/global-art-banksy/

The question now is whether we should state in wikivoice, in the first sentence, that Banksy is "Robin Gunningham, who later took the name David Jones". Personally, I don't think so, since Banksy himself has never confirmed the name(s) to be his. But others disagree and believe that Reuter's report is enough to say definitively that Banksy is Robin Gunningham/David Jones and that it should be stated directly in the the first sentence in wikivoice.

What do you think? [[User:Some1|Some1]] ([[User talk:Some1|talk]]) 23:26, 16 March 2026 (UTC)

:Jerry Seinfeld never confirmed, himself, that his name is Jerry Seinfeld.
:We should not have to wait for that in order to refer to someone as their own name. No double standards. [[User:SlapperDapper|SlapperDapper]] ([[User talk:SlapperDapper|talk]]) 02:51, 17 March 2026 (UTC)
::Banksy is an extremely well known person and the fact that he has not identified himself (herself?) is also well known. If there is information about Banksy's identity, multiple reliable sources will comment. Wikipedia has to wait for that. We don't do breaking news, and BLP articles don't breathlessly report what one report might say. [[User:Johnuniq|Johnuniq]] ([[User talk:Johnuniq|talk]]) 03:18, 17 March 2026 (UTC)
:::Leave the guy alone. His stuff is cool, why go out of our way to make him feel bad. I'm sure that he doesn't want us to delve into his personal identity, to the point that he would probably submit a ticket asking for a takedown, if he even know about tickets or even the Wikipedia iteself, and had the time and energy to bother when it's all over the world by now anyway. So for my part I'm gonna approach the matter as if he had submitted a ticket. Be like me.

:::Let me put it like this: Banksy's his name. John Smith or whatever is his [[deadname]]. Who feels that way? He does. That's a pretty good reason not to out him. Let's not be the sort of publication that thinks outing people is cool. Don't give me this or that  [[WP:FOO|WP:RULE_WE_HAVE_TO_FOLLOW_MINDLESSLY]]; [[WP:IAR]] supercedes all those, cos it's a wiki, we can publish or not publish what we want. And there's no "Ah, it's all over the internet anyway" exception for [[WP:BLP]] -- or for being nice. [[User:Herostratus|Herostratus]] ([[User talk:Herostratus|talk]]) 05:32, 17 March 2026 (UTC)
::::Wow, comparing this to deadnaming is absolutely not appropriate. [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-99390-8|&#126;2026-99390-8]] ([[User talk:&#126;2026-99390-8|talk]]) 13:25, 17 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::Why not? It's a name that he was previously known as and has since stopped using and intentionally avoids/obfuscates. Also in a situation that is distinctly different from e.g. faking one's death. If someone went around parading the name(s) that I used to go under and saying that's my real identity I would be pretty miffed about it. The name I use now is my name. -- [[User:Reconrabbit|<span style="color:#4E8321">Recon</span>]][[User talk:Reconrabbit|<span class="skin-invert" style="color:#073131">rabbit</span>]] 15:55, 17 March 2026 (UTC)
::::From the article:
::::{{tq|The people and institutions who seek to shape social and political discourse are subject to scrutiny, accountability, and, sometimes, unmasking. Banksy’s anonymity – a deliberate, public-facing, and profitable feature of his work – has enabled him to operate without such transparency.}}
::::This is not about how cool his stuff is or his personal preferences about his identity. This has been reported by a trusted source and it's not our job to wait for a public figure's blessing to include relevant information in his Wikipedia page. [[User:Bocanegris|Bocanegris]] ([[User talk:Bocanegris|talk]]) 19:52, 17 March 2026 (UTC)
:::I agree with Johnuniq that the operative principle here is [[WP:NOTNEWS]]. If this reporting is consistently cited by others in the future, or a bunch of independent sources verify its findings, it will probably be due for inclusion. But as of now the bar for including this contentious material in a BLP has not been met. [[User:Generalrelative|Generalrelative]] ([[User talk:Generalrelative|talk]]) 20:07, 17 March 2026 (UTC)
::::This report has been relied upon by other reliable sources:
::::- [https://www.nytimes.com/2026/03/17/arts/design/banksy-identity-robin-gunningham-david-jones.html The New York Times]
::::- [https://www.independent.co.uk/bulletin/culture/banksy-unmasked-real-name-ukraine-b2939567.html The Independent]
::::- [https://www.thetimes.com/culture/art/article/banksys-real-name-revealed-in-26-year-old-police-report-2lxssfgml The Times]
::::As I said in [[Talk:Banksy#Identity should no longer be disputed|the Talk page]], unless a reliable source contests the information or a consensus against this is reached over time within the Wikipedia community, we should default to the established policies.
::::I suggest we choose one single thread to have this discussion (preferably the Talk Page), otherwise we're going to have a lot of duplicate arguments and information. [[User:Bocanegris|Bocanegris]] ([[User talk:Bocanegris|talk]]) 21:52, 17 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::I've replied to you over on the article talk page. [[User:Generalrelative|Generalrelative]] ([[User talk:Generalrelative|talk]]) 22:04, 17 March 2026 (UTC)
It very likely is Robin Gunningham/David Jones, but it should not be in the opening sentence and stated as a fact as it does not come directly from him. Instead, the lead should say something like "Banksy's identity has been reported by news media sources as Robin Gunningham/David Jones."--'''''[[User:ianmacm|<span style="background:#88b;color:#cff;font-variant:small-caps">♦Ian<span style="background:#99c">Ma<span style="background:#aad">c</span></span>M♦</span>]] <sup>[[User_talk:ianmacm|(talk to me)]]</sup>''''' 20:14, 17 March 2026 (UTC)