Editing Talk:Co-counselling (section)

== Co-Counselling International ==

[[User:John Talbut|John Talbut]], the Co-Counselling International section has zero inline citations and is made up almost entirely of [[WP:OR]]. There is nowhere near enough coverage in secondary sources (in fact, there is almost none) for this much information. Too much [[WP:Due weight|weight]] is given to this section of the article. It is also not written in an encyclopedic tone. Since you were obviously an employee of this organization and are actively editing the article — a form of [[WP:paid editing|paid editing]] — you must [[WP:DISCLOSECOI|disclose]] your COI on this talk page. Please do not readd the content without addressing these issues. Thanks, <span style=white-space:nowrap;>[[User:CFA|<span style="background-color:#e0f7fa;padding:2px 5px;border-radius:5px;font-family:Arial black"><span style=color:#00c>C</span> <span style=color:red>F</span> <span style=color:#5ac18e>A</span></span>]] <span style="background-color:#e6e6fa;padding:2px 5px;border-radius:5px;font-family:Arial black">[[User talk:CFA|💬]]</span></span> 03:44, 9 July 2024 (UTC)

:I am obviously not an employee of Co-Counselling international which is a network of people and groups who qualify as CCI co-counsellors and does not employ anyone. I am a volunteer and receive no money for what I do. I am not anonymous and my biography is publicly available. And, yes, I have done a lot for the network, and I am far from the only one. Clearly the inline reference (8) is adequate, the remainder of the section is to give information about how CCI differs from RC, as described in the previous section. [[User:John Talbut|John Talbut]] ([[User talk:John Talbut|talk]]) 09:05, 9 July 2024 (UTC)
::This is still a [[WP:COIEDIT|conflict of interest]] that has to be appropriately disclosed. Please see the guidelines for COI editing:
::* you should '''[[#howtodisclose|disclose]] your COI''' when involved with affected articles;
::* you are '''strongly discouraged''' from editing affected articles directly;
::* you may '''[[Wikipedia:Edit requests|propose changes]]''' on talk pages (by using the {{tlx|edit COI}} template), or by posting a note at the [[WP:COIN|COI noticeboard]], so that they can be peer-reviewed;
::* you should put new articles through the [[WP:AFC|Articles for Creation (AfC)]] process instead of creating them directly;
::* you should '''not act as a reviewer''' of affected article(s) at AfC, [[WP:NPP|new pages patrol]] or elsewhere;
::* you should '''respect other editors''' by keeping discussions concise.
::* If COI editing causes disruption, an administrator may opt to place blocks on the involved accounts.
::The inline reference you are referring to only covers the first paragraph, which is still there. The first paragraph is fine because it is sourced appropriately and has been given [[WP:DUEWEIGHT|due weight]]. It is also a primary source. Please read [[WP:PRIMARY]]:
::# Primary sources that have been '''[[WP:RS|reputably published]]''' may be used in Wikipedia, but only with care, because it is easy to misuse them.{{efn|Any exceptional claim would require [[Wikipedia:Verifiability#Exceptional claims require_exceptional_sources|exceptional sources]].}}
::# Any ''interpretation'' of primary source material requires a reliable secondary source for that interpretation.  While a primary source is generally the best source for its own contents, even over a summary of the primary source elsewhere, do not put [[WP:UNDUE|undue weight]] on its contents.
::# A primary source may be used on Wikipedia only to make straightforward, descriptive '''statements of facts''' that can be '''verified by any educated person with access''' to the primary source but without further, specialized knowledge.<!--That wording is quoted in full at Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Writing about fiction#Primary – please update it if the text here is changed.--> For example, an article about a musician may cite discographies and track listings published by the record label, and an article about a novel may cite passages to describe the plot, but any interpretation needs a secondary source.
::# {{strong|Do not}} analyze, evaluate, interpret, or synthesize material found in a primary source yourself; instead, refer to reliable secondary sources that do so.<!--That wording is quoted in full at Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Writing about fiction#Primary – please update it if the text here is changed.-->
::# {{strong|Do not}} base an entire article on primary sources, and be cautious about basing large passages on them.
::# {{Anchor|I-SAW-IT}}<!--Anchor used by Wikipedia:I-SAW-IT.-->{{strong|Do not}} add unsourced material from your personal experience, because that would make Wikipedia a primary source of that material.
::The material that was removed is entirely [[WP:OR|original research]] and [[WP:SYNTH|synthesis]] based on COI editors' personal experiences and primary sources. If you want to write a section about how CCI differs from something else, then you have to base it on a secondary source that explicitly states '''how it differs from the other thing'''. Otherwise, you are using your own interpretation and it is original research. Please also read the policy on [[WP:DUEWEIGHT|due weight]]. This organization has received almost no independent coverage, so a 6-paragraph section is very unnecessary and exists solely to promote the organization. A small paragraph that briefly covers the organization is much more appropriate. You are clearly unaware of how much your COI has influenced your editing. I recommend also reading [[WP:OWN]].
::Please do not re-add the content without addressing the issues. I will bring this up at [[WP:COIN|the COI noticeboard]] if you continue reverting without discussion or addressing the issues. <span style=white-space:nowrap;>[[User:CFA|<span style="background-color:#e0f7fa;padding:2px 5px;border-radius:5px;font-family:Arial black"><span style=color:#00c>C</span> <span style=color:red>F</span> <span style=color:#5ac18e>A</span></span>]] <span style="background-color:#e6e6fa;padding:2px 5px;border-radius:5px;font-family:Arial black">[[User talk:CFA|💬]]</span></span> 17:00, 9 July 2024 (UTC)