Editing Talk:Co-counselling (section)

== Proposed merge of [[Re-evaluation counseling]] into [[Co-counselling]] ==

Current state of article, as has been pointed out, requires the application of high explosives. Per suggestion on {{slink|Wikipedia:Fringe theories/Noticeboard|Requesting some advice for two Dianetics derived counselling methods}}, going to stubify both articles down to that which is sourced, preferably to secondary and independent ones, before popping the other sources into a {{tl|refideas}} or something. Will be doing so when I have the time the tags are mostly just to remind me to do it tbh. [[User:Alpha3031|Alpha3031]] ([[User talk:Alpha3031|t]] • [[Special:Contributions/Alpha3031|c]]) 17:45, 24 November 2025 (UTC)

:This would be highly inappropriate. Re-evaluation counselling bears little relationship with Dianetics. Co-counselling International is different again. Both are active and independent.[[User:John Talbut|John Talbut]] ([[User talk:John Talbut|talk]]) 19:14, 24 November 2025 (UTC)
::Well, it's definitely not going to remain how it currently is with how it is sourced. Up to you if you want to have any part in how it looks like after those edits. [[User:Alpha3031|Alpha3031]] ([[User talk:Alpha3031|t]] • [[Special:Contributions/Alpha3031|c]]) 12:56, 25 November 2025 (UTC)

First round of trimming:
{{cot|Previous iteration of § Re-evaluation Counseling, entirely cut as no sources at all.}}
<del style="text-decoration: none; color: var(--color-content-removed, #8B0000);">The core organization structure of RC consists of classes and local communities set up by experienced co-counsellors, which are in turn organized by regions and country.</del>

<del style="text-decoration: none; color: var(--color-content-removed, #8B0000);">The term "re-evaluation" refers to the client's need to rethink their past distress experiences after the [[emotion]]al hurt in those experiences have been discharged, and thereby regain ("re-emerge" with) their natural [[Intelligence|intellectual]] and emotional capacities.  The RC organization and literature do not accept the description of its practice as [[psychotherapy]], maintaining instead that the process of developing distress patterns that dissolve through emotional discharge in the context of appreciative attention is simply a natural process that does not imply either psychopathology on the part of the individual or the need for professional treatment. Re-evaluation Counseling regards other forms of "mainstream counselling" and psychotherapy in general as frequently inadequate attempts to bring about relief from distress using methods that do not focus on discharge and re-emergence.</del>

<del style="text-decoration: none; color: var(--color-content-removed, #8B0000);">In RC, the client and counsellor are expected to work co-operatively, participants are expected to provide non-judgmental active listening and to "contradict" the misinformation or other conditions thought to be associated with distress patterns. RC also engages techniques such as "non-permissive" counselling, in which the counsellor intervenes to "interrupt" client patterns without the consent of the client. The structure of RC is one of clearly defined leadership, to encourage clarity in the difficult struggles many people have to achieve breakthroughs against their distresses. RC encourages counsellors to think very hard about all possible ways to assist the client in discharging.</del>

<del style="text-decoration: none; color: var(--color-content-removed, #8B0000);">RC approaches the issue of feelings between co-counsellors by having a strict "no-socialising" rule. RC co-counsellors are expected not to socialise or have social or [[Intimate relationship|sexual relationships]] with other co-counsellors unless these [[Interpersonal relationship|relationships]] pre-dated their becoming co-counsellors.  RC specifically rejects the label "transference" for this phenomenon, as this is seen as part of a "symptomatic" method typical in [[psychology]]; the original theory of co-counselling (from RC) teaches that the best thing to do in these circumstances is repeatedly counsel on, and "discharge" about, such feelings. In addition, methods of "getting attention out of distress" are available which help with the difficulty of "switching roles" between counsellor and client. When taught correctly, counsellors are soon able to grasp the difference between counselling relationships and those from outside life. However, sometimes there is a marked pull to "socialise" or confuse the boundaries of the co-counselling relationship with other types of relationships. This is one reason why many consider a well-organised community of co-counsellors with clear rules to be essential in the successful practise of co-counselling.</del>

<del style="text-decoration: none; color: var(--color-content-removed, #8B0000);">Re-evaluation Counseling places a high importance on the need to understand and adhere to a comprehensive theory about the nature of the universe and of human beings (known in general as the "Benign Reality"), the best ways of assisting the discharge process and of pro-liberation attitudes in co-counselling. RCers believe that, when taken together, these enable the counsellor to keep a clear picture of the client's "re-emergence" and are therefore very effective. People disagreeing with the theoretical perspective are asked to think and discharge on the points at issue before actively challenging such perspectives. The main aim is to provide a safe, stable and supportive atmosphere within which people can client skillfully and also lead "re-emergent lives" where they are not dependent in a therapeutic sense, but instead become more energetic and effective (a state known as "[[zestfulness]]" in RC).</del>
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Going to move the {{tl|merge from}} down to the section then. [[User:Alpha3031|Alpha3031]] ([[User talk:Alpha3031|t]] • [[Special:Contributions/Alpha3031|c]]) 07:14, 26 November 2025 (UTC)

:{{u|Alpha3031}}, are you still interested in this? If it doesn't get additional feedback then it's going to be closed as no consensus. '''[[User:Thebiguglyalien|<span style="color:#0c4709">Thebiguglyalien</span>]]''' ([[User talk:Thebiguglyalien|<span style="color:#472c09">talk</span>]]) 06:18, 6 March 2026 (UTC)
::I don't think I'll get around to fully doing this any time soon but I do still think it's appropriate. I don't think it really requires a formal closure to move things between articles or remove things based on CHALLENGE though, so I do intend to carry out small chunks when I get around to it. Given the article has been tagged for issues since 2008 I don't think anything would come up to make it especially urgent. [[User:Alpha3031|Alpha3031]] ([[User talk:Alpha3031|t]] • [[Special:Contributions/Alpha3031|c]]) 11:30, 10 March 2026 (UTC)