Editing Eurovision Wiki:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents (section)

== Idostuffandyes ==
{{atop|1=They won't be editing for 31 hours. - [[User:The Bushranger|The Bushranger]] <sub>[[User talk:The Bushranger|<span style="color: maroon;">One ping only</span>]]</sub> 23:31, 16 March 2026 (UTC)<br>
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Footnote: also pblocked indef from articlespace. - [[User:The Bushranger|The Bushranger]] <sub>[[User talk:The Bushranger|<span style="color: maroon;">One ping only</span>]]</sub> 20:03, 17 March 2026 (UTC)}}
About two weeks ago, I reverted an edit made by {{User|Idostuffandyes}} in the [[Suzume]] article.[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Suzume&diff=prev&oldid=1341697095] The user didn't take this revert well, so they went to my talk page with a confrontational attitude and without regard for the issues with that edit;[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Xexerss#how_about_you_fix_the_wording] by the way, "another user" appeared in that discussion, and I've opened an investigation into them.[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Sockpuppet_investigations/Idostuffandyes] As is evident from that discussion, I tried to explain the problem with their edit, but the user continued to reply in a defiant and mocking manner. Today, the user made a similar edit again in the same article, and in the edit summary, they wrote: {{talk quotation|edid some parts of the plot section and i PROOF READ IT to make sure it looks all good while adding detail and Xexerss can cry about it but its constructie}}.[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Suzume&diff=prev&oldid=1343811204] Given the user's attitude—and their refusal to understand why their edits were reverted in the first place—I'm not sure it's worth continuing to try to reason with them and hope for even a shred of self-reflection on their part. [[User:Xexerss|Xexerss]] ([[User talk:Xexerss|talk]]) 17:35, 16 March 2026 (UTC)

:i wasn't confrentatinoial I went in saying maybe you could fix it or point out some spots and be happy and then he was the comfrentational one [[User:Idostuffandyes|Idostuffandyes]] ([[User talk:Idostuffandyes|talk]]) 17:49, 16 March 2026 (UTC)
:it was a joking jab at you since I saw you also did the same thing with me to other people today and today I tried making it better but of course you cant handle a jab at you [[User:Idostuffandyes|Idostuffandyes]] ([[User talk:Idostuffandyes|talk]]) 17:51, 16 March 2026 (UTC)
::What "joking jab" I made to you are you talking about? [[User:Xexerss|Xexerss]] ([[User talk:Xexerss|talk]]) 18:01, 16 March 2026 (UTC)
:he told me that I didn't put time and care into my edit even though making that edit took 40 minutes and I'm sorry I didn't use AI like you to make it that's right I see that unneeded m dash  [[User:Idostuffandyes|Idostuffandyes]] ([[User talk:Idostuffandyes|talk]]) 17:57, 16 March 2026 (UTC)
::(Non-admin comment) I'd like to suggest that you avoid possibly attacking someone. Accusing someone of using a LLM without evidence is pretty bad. [[User:TheClocksAlwaysTurn|TheClocksAlwaysTurn]] ([[User talk:TheClocksAlwaysTurn|The Clockworks]]) ([[Special:Contributions/TheClocksAlwaysTurn|contribs]]) 18:01, 16 March 2026 (UTC)
::I don't mean to be rude, but I highly doubt this is the right wikipedia for you if your understanding of the English language is being accurately displayed here. Perhaps attempt to learn more and then return?  ([[User talk:Phlogiston Enthusiast|Talk]]) [[User:Phlogiston Enthusiast|<span style="color: orange">PHLOGISTON ENTHUSIAST</span>]] 18:05, 16 March 2026 (UTC)
:::>:( now I'm actually pissed off HUMANS MAKE MISTAKES  HUMANS CANT CORRECT EVERY LITTLE THING [[User:Idostuffandyes|Idostuffandyes]] ([[User talk:Idostuffandyes|talk]]) 18:09, 16 March 2026 (UTC)
::::A key part of Wikipedia is that competence is required. If you aren't competent right now, and I'm not saying that you are or aren't competent, then you should return when you are. [[User:TheClocksAlwaysTurn|TheClocksAlwaysTurn]] ([[User talk:TheClocksAlwaysTurn|The Clockworks]]) ([[Special:Contributions/TheClocksAlwaysTurn|contribs]]) 18:11, 16 March 2026 (UTC)
::::There is a difference between making mistakes and making the same mistakes over and over. You have not once capitalized your comments or used correct punctuation.  ([[User talk:Phlogiston Enthusiast|Talk]]) [[User:Phlogiston Enthusiast|<span style="color: orange">PHLOGISTON ENTHUSIAST</span>]] 18:12, 16 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::their use of capital letters and imperfect punctuation - something we ''do not'' require, and is entirely a matter of style and preference - is secondary to their substantively problematic behavior. the lack of punctuation within statements does make their messages difficult to understand, but capitalization is just a nitpick. <span style="color:#507533">... [[User:Sawyer777|<span style="color:#507533">sawyer</span>]] * <small>any/all</small> * [[User talk:Sawyer777|<span style="color:#507533">talk</span>]]</span> 18:14, 16 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::It is required in articles, though. They do not succeed to use them in articles.  ([[User talk:Phlogiston Enthusiast|Talk]]) [[User:Phlogiston Enthusiast|<span style="color: orange">PHLOGISTON ENTHUSIAST</span>]] 18:15, 16 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::ah, ok - that is a reasonable critique. your message i was responding to explicitly was about their messages, though. <span style="color:#507533">... [[User:Sawyer777|<span style="color:#507533">sawyer</span>]] * <small>any/all</small> * [[User talk:Sawyer777|<span style="color:#507533">talk</span>]]</span> 18:17, 16 March 2026 (UTC)
:you also have no reason besides them being sloppy and didn't elaborate any further  [[User:Idostuffandyes|Idostuffandyes]] ([[User talk:Idostuffandyes|talk]]) 18:06, 16 March 2026 (UTC)
::The first letter of a sentence is usually capitalized in formal settings. Punctuation is also used in formal situations. Not using them can make you look lackadaisical, as if you do not care and are not taking what is being said seriously.  ([[User talk:Phlogiston Enthusiast|Talk]]) [[User:Phlogiston Enthusiast|<span style="color: orange">PHLOGISTON ENTHUSIAST</span>]] 18:09, 16 March 2026 (UTC)
:::welp clearly I do if I edits so offen while Xexerss seems to just get angry at others for making small mistakes that can be missed  [[User:Idostuffandyes|Idostuffandyes]] ([[User talk:Idostuffandyes|talk]]) 18:12, 16 March 2026 (UTC)
::::Your previous message proclaimed you to be 'pissed'. Angry emoticon included. Of note, they were not 'small mistakes that could be missed', but rather nigh-incomprehensible arrangements of words.  ([[User talk:Phlogiston Enthusiast|Talk]]) [[User:Phlogiston Enthusiast|<span style="color: orange">PHLOGISTON ENTHUSIAST</span>]] 18:14, 16 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::you wanna know how many mistakes where in my last edit four and they where minor spelling and Grammer that I forgot to read over but I did read everything else  [[User:Idostuffandyes|Idostuffandyes]] ([[User talk:Idostuffandyes|talk]]) 18:17, 16 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::If you are prone to mistakes, then read over the edit before you post it, and make sure it's free of spelling mistakes, grammar issues, etc. [[User:TheClocksAlwaysTurn|TheClocksAlwaysTurn]] ([[User talk:TheClocksAlwaysTurn|The Clockworks]]) ([[Special:Contributions/TheClocksAlwaysTurn|contribs]]) 18:19, 16 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::i did but sometimes I forget to re reading have ADHD so sometimes I can just forget and I don't want you to be a A hole about it [[User:Idostuffandyes|Idostuffandyes]] ([[User talk:Idostuffandyes|talk]]) 18:22, 16 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::I also have ADHD. I still read over my edits and their summaries. It isn't an excuse.  ([[User talk:Phlogiston Enthusiast|Talk]]) [[User:Phlogiston Enthusiast|<span style="color: orange">PHLOGISTON ENTHUSIAST</span>]] 18:23, 16 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::replace the s in stich with a b that's what you are [[User:Idostuffandyes|Idostuffandyes]] ([[User talk:Idostuffandyes|talk]]) 18:25, 16 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::Firstly, ad hominem. Second, NPA. Third, sitch isn't even a word. Why not go with 'witch' or 'litch' or 'Mitch'?  ([[User talk:Phlogiston Enthusiast|Talk]]) [[User:Phlogiston Enthusiast|<span style="color: orange">PHLOGISTON ENTHUSIAST</span>]] 18:28, 16 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::I have ADHD too, I understand. But, I still try my best to read over what I do. [[User:TheClocksAlwaysTurn|TheClocksAlwaysTurn]] ([[User talk:TheClocksAlwaysTurn|The Clockworks]]) ([[Special:Contributions/TheClocksAlwaysTurn|contribs]]) 18:26, 16 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::at the time of writing that edit I didn't have my meds yet also I was in school I didn't have unlimited time to make it perfect [[User:Idostuffandyes|Idostuffandyes]] ([[User talk:Idostuffandyes|talk]]) 18:28, 16 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::If you cannot competently make an edit due to circumstances, don't make the edit. You could have waited for your medicine and the school day to end.  ([[User talk:Phlogiston Enthusiast|Talk]]) [[User:Phlogiston Enthusiast|<span style="color: orange">PHLOGISTON ENTHUSIAST</span>]] 18:29, 16 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::Listen, I understand. Sometimes I haven't taken my medication when I edit, and sometimes I edit while in school. If you don't have your meds, and are in school, then don't edit. Your education takes a lot more precedence over Wikipedia. [[User:TheClocksAlwaysTurn|TheClocksAlwaysTurn]] ([[User talk:TheClocksAlwaysTurn|The Clockworks]]) ([[Special:Contributions/TheClocksAlwaysTurn|contribs]]) 18:30, 16 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::Exactly.  ([[User talk:Phlogiston Enthusiast|Talk]]) [[User:Phlogiston Enthusiast|<span style="color: orange">PHLOGISTON ENTHUSIAST</span>]] 18:31, 16 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::I just want to make it clear: '''I in no way would EVER disparage an editor based on if they have a mental disorder, disability, etc.''' It would outright be hypocritical of me, considering I have ADHD and Autism, and I do not approve of putting someone down based on their mental health. [[User:TheClocksAlwaysTurn|TheClocksAlwaysTurn]] ([[User talk:TheClocksAlwaysTurn|The Clockworks]]) ([[Special:Contributions/TheClocksAlwaysTurn|contribs]]) 20:27, 16 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::Same. I don't think a pyromaniac has room to speak about other people's mental health, but I should say nonetheless.  ([[User talk:Phlogiston Enthusiast|Talk]]) [[User:Phlogiston Enthusiast|<span style="color: orange">PHLOGISTON ENTHUSIAST</span>]] 20:45, 16 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::"You wanna know how many mistakes were in my last edit? Four, and they were minor spelling and grammar misakes that I forgot to read over, even though I did read everything else." Is how this would be written correctly. Do you not see how this really doesn't inspire confidence?  ([[User talk:Phlogiston Enthusiast|Talk]]) [[User:Phlogiston Enthusiast|<span style="color: orange">PHLOGISTON ENTHUSIAST</span>]] 18:20, 16 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::you can shut up this is a chat I don't need to make it gramatical for a sentence [[User:Idostuffandyes|Idostuffandyes]] ([[User talk:Idostuffandyes|talk]]) 18:23, 16 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::The point is that it is setting a bad precedent, and if you use poor or illegible grammar in one area, how should people trust you to use it elsewhere, when you have already shown yourself to not use it there either? Also, telling another editor to 'shut up' is not proper behavior.  ([[User talk:Phlogiston Enthusiast|Talk]]) [[User:Phlogiston Enthusiast|<span style="color: orange">PHLOGISTON ENTHUSIAST</span>]] 18:26, 16 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::'''I propose a temporary block.''' They're insulting other users, not improving, and not listening to anything anyone is saying. Duration, I am uncertain.  ([[User talk:Phlogiston Enthusiast|Talk]]) [[User:Phlogiston Enthusiast|<span style="color: orange">PHLOGISTON ENTHUSIAST</span>]] 18:34, 16 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::I gave them 2 warnings about personal attacks using Twinkle. [[User:TheClocksAlwaysTurn|TheClocksAlwaysTurn]] ([[User talk:TheClocksAlwaysTurn|The Clockworks]]) ([[Special:Contributions/TheClocksAlwaysTurn|contribs]]) 19:01, 16 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::Thank you.  ([[User talk:Phlogiston Enthusiast|Talk]]) [[User:Phlogiston Enthusiast|<span style="color: orange">PHLOGISTON ENTHUSIAST</span>]] 19:13, 16 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::Speaking to editors like that is not acceptable and a violation of policies.
::::::::You speaking like "''you can shut up this is a chat I don't need to make it gramatical for a sentence''" is rude to editors, and a massive violation of [[Wikipedia:Civility|WP:CIV]].
::::::::A user already gave you 2 warnings, which means by now that they request you to stop. ~~[[User:PolishHamster|<span style="color: cyan">PolishHamster</span>]][[User talk:PolishHamster|<sup><span style="color: green">yeah</span></sup>]] 20:23, 16 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::Of note, the warning was placed after the message in question.  ([[User talk:Phlogiston Enthusiast|Talk]]) [[User:Phlogiston Enthusiast|<span style="color: orange">PHLOGISTON ENTHUSIAST</span>]] 20:43, 16 March 2026 (UTC)

*'''Time Sink''' ~competence, socking, non-collaborative editing. note: I am just here [[WP:KNIT|knitting]]. – [[User:Augmented Seventh|Augmented Seventh]] ([[User talk:Augmented Seventh|talk]]) 18:33, 16 March 2026 (UTC)
* I'm involved in this because I reverted their most recent edit to [[Suzume]] and left a message on their talk page. I just wanted to give my thoughts. I appreciate their interest in working on anime articles and we could certainly use the help. That being said, collaboration is one of the cornerstones of the project's mission. However, in their talk page messages, Idostuffandyes has been condescending towards other editors. They called Xexerss "LAZY" for not fixing the mistakes in their edit ([https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Idostuffandyes&diff=prev&oldid=1341698738]) and said that "Xexerss can cry about" their edit ([https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Suzume&diff=prev&oldid=1343811204]) which they later said was a "small joking jab" after I called it rude ([https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Idostuffandyes&diff=prev&oldid=1343821104]). In this very thread, they've even told other users to "shut up" and wrote {{green|replace the s in stich with a b that's what you are}} above ([https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents&diff=prev&oldid=1343838455], [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents&diff=prev&oldid=1343838603]). These comments are completely unacceptable and that they don't seem to realize or care about that is enough to make me say a block may be necessary. I'm not quite there, yet, but I'm very concerned about this behavior. [[User:Link20XX|Link20XX]] ([[User talk:Link20XX|talk]]) 19:15, 16 March 2026 (UTC)
*:Is this support for the proposal of a temporary block as above?  ([[User talk:Phlogiston Enthusiast|Talk]]) [[User:Phlogiston Enthusiast|<span style="color: orange">PHLOGISTON ENTHUSIAST</span>]] 19:18, 16 March 2026 (UTC)
*::I suppose you could say I would '''support a temporary block''' at the minimum, yes. Their constant denigrating of other editors and apparent failure to recognize it as a problem is not cool with me. [[User:Link20XX|Link20XX]] ([[User talk:Link20XX|talk]]) 19:21, 16 March 2026 (UTC)

:*'''Support Temporary Block'''. User has consistent track of violating [[Wikipedia:Civility|WP:CIV]].
:~~[[User:PolishHamster|<span style="color: cyan">PolishHamster</span>]][[User talk:PolishHamster|<sup><span style="color: green">yeah</span></sup>]] 20:25, 16 March 2026 (UTC)
::Blocked 31 hours for personal attacks, both here in this section, as well as elsewhere. Additionally, pblocked from Articles indefinitely for English skills problems (e.g., [[Special:Diff/1343811204]]), to the point where their edits, even when well-intended, are disruptive. Once their 31-hour block expires, they can make edit suggestions while they work to improve their language skills. Further disruption can result in further actions. —&nbsp;[[User:rsjaffe|<b style="font-family:Papyrus;color:DarkSlateGrey;">rsjaffe</b>]]&nbsp;[[User talk:rsjaffe|🗣️]] 22:14, 16 March 2026 (UTC)

:Nothing that they have made another personal attack since this was posted, calling another editor a man child.  ([[User talk:Phlogiston Enthusiast|Talk]]) [[User:Phlogiston Enthusiast|<span style="color: orange">PHLOGISTON ENTHUSIAST</span>]] 19:13, 16 March 2026 (UTC)

:Nothing that they have made yet another personal attack since this was posted, calling me 'mr snippy'.  ([[User talk:Phlogiston Enthusiast|Talk]]) [[User:Phlogiston Enthusiast|<span style="color: orange">PHLOGISTON ENTHUSIAST</span>]] 19:13, 16 March 2026 (UTC)
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=== User Idostuffandyes continuing to cast personal attacks and aspersions. ===
{{atop|Blocked editor is clearly distressed, and while they are violating the letter of the block notice, the actual disruption is minimal. Please stop looking for motes in others' eyes and just disengage from their user talk page. If any personal attacks continue, either as part of actual unblock requests or as unprompted comments, then action will be justified. <sub>signed, </sub>[[User:Rosguill|'''''Rosguill''''']] <sup>[[User talk:Rosguill|''talk'']]</sup> 14:58, 17 March 2026 (UTC)}}
After being warned and blocked previously, they continue to say things such as calling me 'mr snippy' and calling other editors names, as well as claiming that another editor is lying about the previous situation leading to a block, saying "yeah because he deleted the evidence  Idostuffandyes (talk) 13:29, 17 March 2026 (UTC)". I suggest a permanent block as they did not learn the first time they were blocked and refuse to learn.  ([[User talk:Phlogiston Enthusiast|Talk]]) [[User:Phlogiston Enthusiast|<span style="color: orange">PHLOGISTON ENTHUSIAST</span>]] 13:41, 17 March 2026 (UTC)

:Diffs? 🚂[[User:ThatTrainGuy1945|<span style="color:blue"><b>That</b></span><span style="color:red"><b>Train</b></span><span style="color:blue"><b>Guy</b></span><span style="color:red"><b>1945</b></span>]] <sup>[[User talk:ThatTrainGuy1945|Peep peep!]]</sup> 13:45, 17 March 2026 (UTC)
::On it.  ([[User talk:Phlogiston Enthusiast|Talk]]) [[User:Phlogiston Enthusiast|<span style="color: orange">PHLOGISTON ENTHUSIAST</span>]] 13:47, 17 March 2026 (UTC)
::All the issues mentioned are currently present on their user page. https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3AIdostuffandyes&diff=1343968688&oldid=1343968679  ([[User talk:Phlogiston Enthusiast|Talk]]) [[User:Phlogiston Enthusiast|<span style="color: orange">PHLOGISTON ENTHUSIAST</span>]] 13:49, 17 March 2026 (UTC)
:::I get the feeling we're dealing with a younger editor here, it may be best to just leave them be since they're doing this in response to replies on their Talk page. 
:::They've asked to be left alone [[User talk:Idostuffandyes#c-Idostuffandyes-20260317134900-Phlogiston Enthusiast-20260317134600|here]] so I think they'll stop if we don't post any more. 
:::If they continue after being left alone, then perhaps revoke TPA? [[User:Blue-Sonnet|Blue Sonnet]] ([[User talk:Blue-Sonnet|talk]]) 13:52, 17 March 2026 (UTC)
::::I would agree, but the issue is that I was asleep when I received the first batch of insulting messages this morning. (after they were blocked the day before for attacks) I responded, and then they did.  ([[User talk:Phlogiston Enthusiast|Talk]]) [[User:Phlogiston Enthusiast|<span style="color: orange">PHLOGISTON ENTHUSIAST</span>]] 13:54, 17 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::I've asked them to disable notifications, that way they won't be tempted to reply to further posts since I don't think that's helpful for them right now. They can't seem to resist replying to posts and that's making things worse for them overall. Hopefully they'll follow my advice & they can avoid possibly losing TPA. [[User:Blue-Sonnet|Blue Sonnet]] ([[User talk:Blue-Sonnet|talk]]) 14:05, 17 March 2026 (UTC)
:They additionally continued the attacks after I warned them two times. [[User:TheClocksAlwaysTurn|TheClocksAlwaysTurn]] ([[User talk:TheClocksAlwaysTurn|The Clockworks]]) ([[Special:Contributions/TheClocksAlwaysTurn|contribs]]) 14:48, 17 March 2026 (UTC)
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=== User Idostuffandyes: Evasion of block via possible sockpuppet ===

Not quite sure where else to put this, since the [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Sockpuppet_investigations/Idostuffandyes spi] came back likely; I realize that admin clerks are likely overworked, but given the SPI was over 2 weeks ago, and there is active (likely) block evasion ongoing from the above block on this user, I thought I should at least say something. — '''[[User:Daedalus969|<span style="color: green">Dæ</span>]][[User talk:Daedalus969|<span style="color: blue">dαlus</span>]]<sup style="font-size: smaller;"><span class="plainlinks">[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Daedalus969&action=edit&section=new <span style="color: grey">+</span>]</span> [[Special:Contributions/Daedalus969|<span color="Green">Contribs</span>]]</sup>''' 23:53, 18 March 2026 (UTC)
:...well, that's a thing. Apologies for this having slipped through the cracks. Given the [[WP:DUCK|pretty blatant]] use of a sock to evade the pblock, I'm indeffing. - [[User:The Bushranger|The Bushranger]] <sub>[[User talk:The Bushranger|<span style="color: maroon;">One ping only</span>]]</sub> 05:05, 19 March 2026 (UTC)