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== Request for experienced closer ==
{{archive top|AfD closed as no consensus by OwenX [[User:Pppery|* Pppery *]] [[User talk:Pppery|<sub style="color:#800000">it has begun...</sub>]] 20:59, 14 March 2026 (UTC)}}
* In my opinion, [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of people named in the Epstein files]] needs an experienced closer because there are BLP issues involved. --[[User:Guy Macon|Guy Macon]] ([[User talk:Guy Macon|talk]]) 13:24, 3 March 2026 (UTC)
*:+1 I looked at that AfD and chose ''not'' to comment on it because, yikes, it's a hot one. Not volunteering to be the closer despite being uninvolved, lol, this should probably be an uninvolved party with a strong history of closing contentious BLP structured discussions.  [[User:Simonm223|Simonm223]] ([[User talk:Simonm223|talk]]) 13:27, 3 March 2026 (UTC)
*::I don't think the world has yet created a person universally respected enough to be able to safely navigate this one without a headache. I think you pretty much have to do a panel on this one to share the pain. [[User:CoffeeCrumbs|CoffeeCrumbs]] ([[User talk:CoffeeCrumbs|talk]]) 08:06, 5 March 2026 (UTC)
*:I'm sure that, whichever way this is closed, we haven't seen the last of it. [[User:Phil Bridger|Phil Bridger]] ([[User talk:Phil Bridger|talk]]) 19:04, 3 March 2026 (UTC)
*::I just want to avoid seeing some newish editor doing a quick count and posting a NAC, not realizing that they are doing the wiki equivalent of painting a target on their back and then setting themselves on fire. --[[User:Guy Macon|Guy Macon]] ([[User talk:Guy Macon|talk]]) 18:10, 4 March 2026 (UTC)
*:::Maybe a panel close would be best? I personally wouldn't want to [[Wiktionary:not touch something with a ten foot pole|touch that with a ten foot pole]], but as part of a panel it would insulate the individual closers somewhat. ~ ''[[User:ONUnicorn|<span style="color:#0cc">ONUnicorn</span>]]''<sup>([[User talk:ONUnicorn|Talk]]&#124;[[Special:Contributions/ONUnicorn|Contribs]])</sup><small>[[WP:P&amp;S|problem solving]]</small> 18:19, 4 March 2026 (UTC)
*::::I haven't taken part in RFA for a few years, but I would like closers (who are usually admins) to be both trustworthy and brave. Trustworthy in that they make the right decisions, and brave in that they state them fearlessly. I'm a bit agnostic about panel closes, precisely because they insulate the individual closers somewhat. [[User:Phil Bridger|Phil Bridger]] ([[User talk:Phil Bridger|talk]]) 18:40, 4 March 2026 (UTC)
*:::::One alternative is to have one closer with other admins endorsing. That gives everyone a single person to yell at, which is apparently a popular sport around here. (Most of the time, when you read the words "admin abuse" it is the admin who is being abused.) If the issue is super important or there is a real question about how our policies apply (neither seems to be the case here), an admin might even privately ask other admins for advice before publishing the finding. --[[User:Guy Macon|Guy Macon]] ([[User talk:Guy Macon|talk]]) 21:58, 4 March 2026 (UTC)
*::::::<small>{{tqq|Most of the time, when you read the words "admin abuse" it is the admin who is being abused.}} [[WP:OWB]] #37. - [[User:The Bushranger|The Bushranger]] <sub>[[User talk:The Bushranger|<span style="color: maroon;">One ping only</span>]]</sub> 03:29, 5 March 2026 (UTC)</small>
*:I can't help but notice that the nomination is for deletion reasons other than notability. Would this mean that votes solely based on notability wouldn't be considered when determining consensus on the actual deletion rationale? And for what it's worth, I second the idea having multiple closers in whatever form that may take. '''[[User:Thebiguglyalien|<span style="color:#0c4709">Thebiguglyalien</span>]]''' ([[User talk:Thebiguglyalien|<span style="color:#472c09">talk</span>]]) 18:11, 5 March 2026 (UTC)
*I have relisted it as an individual admin action, because I don't see sufficient engagement with the meat of the issue. I would be willing to serve on a closing panel. [[User:Vanamonde93|Vanamonde93]] ([[User talk:Vanamonde93|talk]]) 18:35, 5 March 2026 (UTC)
*: For any admin who is pondering whether to get involved in this, here is a related discussion that I started before someone else posted an AfD: [[Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons/Noticeboard#We need a clear policy about being in the Epstein Files]]. IMO this is relevant because:
::[A] it looks like some editors have been working on resolving the BLP issues while others deny that any BLP issue could possibly exist. (Typical argument: "we say '' 'No wrongdoing is established by merely appearing in the documents' '' in the lead so BLP violations are not possible".) An important question for the closer is what BLP violations were fixed after the early !votes were cast, and whether the editors working on the page are willing and able to resolve any BLP issues that remain.
::[B] There are BLPs included on other pages such as [[:Category:Jeffrey Epstein]], [[:Category:Relationships of Jeffrey Epstein]], [[Connections of Jeffrey Epstein]], and various "Relationship of X and Jeffrey Epstein" pages. These should be discussed on the BLPNB, not on the AfD page, and they too may require administrator intervention.
:: --[[User:Guy Macon|Guy Macon]] ([[User talk:Guy Macon|talk]]) 17:52, 8 March 2026 (UTC)
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