Editing Talk:2022–2023 Brazilian coup plot (section)

== Requested move 15 September 2025 ==

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The result of the move request was: '''moved.''' As Bolsonaro has been convicted, the !votes to wait are now moot. <small>([[Wikipedia:Requested moves/Closing instructions#Closure by a page mover|closed by non-admin page mover]])</small> [[User:JJPMaster|JJP]]<sub>[[User talk:JJPMaster|Mas]]<sub>[[Special:Contributions/JJPMaster|ter]]</sub></sub> ([[She (pronoun)|she]]/[[Singular they|they]]) 12:35, 19 September 2025 (UTC)
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[[:2022 Brazilian coup plot]] → {{no redirect|2022–2023 Brazilian coup plot}} – Please place your rationale for the proposed move here. [[User:Ilikeyoshi|<span style="font-family:'MARIO Font v3_2 Solid';">ilikeyossy</span>]] [[User talk:Ilikeyoshi|<span style="color:#0f0;">'''Yoshi! (msg me)'''</span>]] 15:15, 15 September 2025 (UTC)

[[:2022 Brazilian coup plot]] → {{no redirect|2022–2023 Brazilian coup plot}} – Per Portuguese version. [[User:ArionStar|ArionStar]] ([[User talk:ArionStar|talk]]) 19:47, 4 September 2025 (UTC)<small>—&nbsp;'''''Relisting.'''''&nbsp;[[User: Tenshi Hinanawi|Tenshi!]] ([[User talk: Tenshi Hinanawi|Talk page]]) 12:18, 12 September 2025 (UTC)</small>

:I think one should wait for the result of the trial on September 12 before making this decision. Jair Bolsonaro and the other defendants are being charged with five crimes:
:* Attempted violent abolition of the democratic rule of law;
:* Attempted coup d’état;
:* Participation in an armed criminal organization;
:* Qualified damage;
:* Deterioration of protected heritage property.
:The last two crimes refer specifically to the attacks in Brasília on January 8. If one or more defendants are convicted of all the crimes, this would show a connection between the coup-plotting meetings in November–December 2022 and January 8. However, if the Supreme Court convicts the defendants of the first three crimes but acquits them of the last two, it would mean that the Court considered the core of the coup attempt to have taken place in November–December 2022, with January 8 being irrelevant in terms of coup intent.
:In summary:
:* If Bolsonaro and/or the other defendants are convicted of Qualified damage and/or Deterioration of protected heritage property → rename the article to '''2022–2023 Brazilian coup plot'''.
:* Otherwise, keep it as it is.
:[[User:Victor R de Oliveira|Victor R de Oliveira]] ([[User talk:Victor R de Oliveira|talk]]) 03:50, 5 September 2025 (UTC)
::And in my opinion it should be seen as a coup attempt, not just plot. The investigation were explicitly that the coup went far beyond the "plotting" phase, and only failed due to the lack of support among the Armed Forces. [[User:Erick Soares3|Erick Soares3]] ([[User talk:Erick Soares3|talk]]) 20:37, 11 September 2025 (UTC)
:I would agree that it's probably best to wait as this is an ongoing event. It may be that as time goes on a different title will be given to it in the relevant sources (newspapers, trial documents, etc), and so the article may warrant a name change then. As it stands, '''2022 Brazilian coup plot''' is descriptive and clear enough that it's unlikely to cause confusion, so I think it makes sense to keep it for now and see how things develop. [[User:Retinalsummer|Retinalsummer]] ([[User talk:Retinalsummer|talk]]) 12:27, 12 September 2025 (UTC)
::Apologies, I meant to say "discussion of trial documents". Sorry for the confusion. [[User:Retinalsummer|Retinalsummer]] ([[User talk:Retinalsummer|talk]]) 12:30, 12 September 2025 (UTC)
* '''Support''' — Bolsonaro has been convicted on all five charges. The storming of government buildings on January 8th, 2023 was a critical part of the coup plot. 
:— <span style="background:#960000;padding:2px 12px;font-size:12px">[[User:Combefere|<span style="color:#fff">Combefere</span>]] <span style="color:#FC0;letter-spacing:-2px">★</span> [[User talk:Combefere|<span style="color:#fff">Talk</span>]]</span> 23:08, 12 September 2025 (UTC)
::One week later, Bolsonaro and other related military were all convicted, I think we should go forward renaming it to '''2022–2023 Brazilian coup attempt'''. Just for the reference, the exact same name is used in Portuguese wikipedia: [[:pt:Tentativa de golpe de Estado no Brasil em 2022–2023]]. --[[User:ArlindoPereira|ArlindoPereira]] ([[User talk:ArlindoPereira|talk]]) 07:30, 18 September 2025 (UTC)

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