Editing Talk:Erotic target location error (section)

== This article seems like a tail without a head ==

It looks like this article collects a grab bag of weird phenomena, but ignores more common instances of the same thing.  For every amputee fetishist there must be a million people who take some kind of weird erotic pleasure from having piercings or tattoos or scarification, etc.  For every "furry" I imagine there must be hundreds of people who take some pleasure in being hairy or long-haired.  I don't know this field, but I would assume that every group that is weird enough to be notable should be associated with some other group that is common enough to be ignored.  Can you link this content to explanations about makeup, impractical shoes, jewelry, leather clothing and so forth?  (I understand of course that as in genetics the weird case is what illuminates the commonplace, but one also needs to have an understanding of the commonplace to understand the weird...) [[User:Wnt|Wnt]] ([[User talk:Wnt|talk]]) 18:09, 11 May 2013 (UTC)
:Well, the nominal subject of the article is "having a sexual preference or strong sexual interest in features that are somewhere other than on one's sexual partners" (isn't that roughly the definition of [[sexual fetishism]]?), but it only actually discusses the subset of fetishes where one fantasizes about oneself "in another physical form." It also reads like a [[Wikipedia:POV fork|POV fork]] for the controversial theories of [[Ray Blanchard|Blanchard]] and Lawrence, who appear to be the only authors in the references section that actually use the "ETLE" term (aside from the rebuttal of Lawrence by Moser, who explicitly criticizes the term). It would make more sense to mention Blanchard's controversial theories with appropriate weight in the other articles we have on sexual fetishism, and redirect this title to [[sexual fetishism]] itself. [[User:Fran Rogers|Fran Rogers]] ([[User talk:Fran Rogers|talk]]) 03:42, 12 May 2013 (UTC)
: Yes, these are basically just new versions of old terms.  Autogynephilia = transvestic fetishism disorder.  But if you say the words fetish and disorder then people will be offended.   The evolution of psychiatric terminology is interesting.  <!-- Template:Unsigned IP --><small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/97.91.188.153|97.91.188.153]] ([[User talk:97.91.188.153|talk]]) 15:27, 4 September 2016 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
::That's easy to explain: "Paraphilia" is a highly biased, toxic social construct; so-called paraphilias are merely socially unaccepted sexual preferences. For example, the article [[breast fetishism]] fails to explain the difference between "highly atypical sexual interest focused on female breasts" and the typical form, which supports the suspicion that the division is artificial, pseudoscientific bunk. (In fact, the eroticisation of breasts is entirely culturally constructed: in cultures without a taboo surrounding the open display of breasts, men don't think of them as erotically charged in the first place.) "Paraphilia" is merely a euphemism used by bigoted psychiatrists and psychologist in place of "perversion". The word "fetish" is used to shame and ostracise; the word "disorder" is used to pathologise, infantilise and other. No wonder that trans women (trans men are hypocritically not targeted) will have none of that and resent the association. Even "autogynephilia" is ultimately still used to shame and pathologise gender variance – it's no less controversial than "transvestic fetishism" or "fetishtic disorder" because it's only an obscure euphemism for the same thing. Keep in mind that it's called "erotic target location ''error''" – the "erotic" part sexualises and shames, the "error" part explicitly pathologises trans women. The Blanchard school propagates the notion that queer trans women are only disgusting male perverts and straight trans women are hyperfeminine, equally perverted gay men. It's pure bigoted pseudoscience (just like now-discredited speculation about the psychological origin of homo- and bisexuality), which is apparent in the fallacious logic used by defenders, like when they equivocate between autoerotic gender-related fantasies (a phenomenon that's definitely real) and the "AGP theory", claiming that activists who reject the "theory" deny the existence of the former phenomenon, too. --[[User:Florian Blaschke|Florian Blaschke]] ([[User talk:Florian Blaschke|talk]]) 15:28, 2 May 2018 (UTC)
:::Florian Blaschke, [[WP:NOT A FORUM]]. [[User:Flyer22 Reborn|Flyer22 Reborn]] ([[User talk:Flyer22 Reborn|talk]]) 12:30, 3 May 2018 (UTC)
::::Not sure why you keep slapping ''me'' with NOTAFORUM – a discussion involves more than one person. Looks like you've got it in for me. Maybe stop your stalkerish behaviour towards me? --[[User:Florian Blaschke|Florian Blaschke]] ([[User talk:Florian Blaschke|talk]]) 11:54, 5 May 2018 (UTC)
:::::How in the world am I stalking you when I have all of these articles on my watchlist? You know that I edit many sexual topics. I do not follow you. Nor do I have it "in for you." You, however, have followed me, [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Female_hysteria&oldid=838643110#It_turns_out_that_one_of_the_central_premises_of_this_article_is_probably_false as acknowledged by you in the past]. If I "slap [you] with NOTAFORUM," it's because you deserve it. We have rules to follow. And you know by now what is a NOTAFORUM issue; you've been reminded of NOTAFORUM by enough people. Instead of engage you by pointing out how you are wrong about paraphilias, I decided to state "WP:NOT A FORUM," which, per [[WP:TALK]], is what should be done in cases like these. [[User:Flyer22 Reborn|Flyer22 Reborn]] ([[User talk:Flyer22 Reborn|talk]]) 01:26, 7 May 2018 (UTC)
:::''Entirely'', Florian? You fall in the opposite trap, of thinking that features that are normally (i.e. culture-specific normally) on display cannot (by that fact alone) hold any erotic interest. Breasts are an important erogenous zone, whether or not their normal display is cultural norm. [[Special:Contributions/2A01:CB0C:CD:D800:C85D:E443:C575:6519|2A01:CB0C:CD:D800:C85D:E443:C575:6519]] ([[User talk:2A01:CB0C:CD:D800:C85D:E443:C575:6519|talk]]) 13:34, 20 September 2022 (UTC)