Editing Talk:Jewish holidays (section)

== discussion of ''pikuach nefesh'' ==

{{ping|StevenJ81}} At the end of the [[Jewish_holidays#.22Work.22_on_Sabbath_and_biblical_holidays|section on "work"]] we have 
:'''Saving a life.''' Shabbat and holiday work restrictions are always put aside in cases of ''[[pikuach nefesh]],'' which is saving a human life.  At the most fundamental level, if there is any possibility whatsoever that action must be taken to save a life, Shabbat restrictions are violated immediately, and without reservation.
I feel uncomfortable with the wording "Shabbat restrictions are violated". Wouldn't "suspended" or "superseded" be a better word here? It's not as if the Law tells us to ''violate'' the Law. Rather, it tells us "saving a life is more important than observing Shabbat".

Oh, by the way, StevenJ81: ''great work''! --[[User:Thnidu|Thnidu]] ([[User talk:Thnidu|talk]]) 02:51, 2 December 2013 (UTC)

: This remind the discussion whether ''shabbat hudcha'' or ''hutra'' in the case of pikuach nefesh, that is to say, whether the shabbat laws are in place but we push them aside, or if the laws are completely removed. In any case, I agree with the proposal to use another word, probably I'd prefer "superseded". [[User:Debresser|Debresser]] ([[User talk:Debresser|talk]]) 11:15, 2 December 2013 (UTC)

:: [Not really off Wikibreak, but still ...] Fair point. I think the most accurate way to say this without having to actually answer the discussion {{ping|Debresser|p=}} brings up is to say:
::<blockquote>At the most fundamental level, if there is any possibility whatsoever that some action must be taken to save a life, that action is taken immediately and without reservation, notwithstanding Shabbat restrictions.</blockquote>
:: I think this finesses the point of whether they are "pushed aside" or removed. If you two are ok with that language, someone please go ahead and edit it.
:: If you'd rather just leave it as it is, replacing ''violated'' with ''superseded,'' I'm ok with that, too.
:: חג שמח! [[User:StevenJ81|StevenJ81]] ([[User talk:StevenJ81|talk]]) 18:37, 5 December 2013 (UTC)

::: Oh, and {{ping|Thnidu}}  {{thank you}} for the compliment!  
::: When I return from Wikibreak, I need to go back and fix [[Shemini Atzeret]] again. I got it promoted to GA, then had a couple of GA experts with little understanding of classical ''halachic'' literature tear it back apart. So I need to go back and try to put all the pieces back together again. I'm no longer aiming for GA&mdash;too frustrating&mdash;just for a cogent and coherent article. Any help you gentlemen can provide, either now or when I come back, would be appreciated. [[User:StevenJ81|StevenJ81]] ([[User talk:StevenJ81|talk]]) 18:43, 5 December 2013 (UTC)