Editing Talk:Titanomachy (section)

===Innacurate Statement===
The following statement is very inaccurate. I think it should be completely deleted.

"The Abrahamic religions (Judaism, Christianity and Islam) describe a similar event, the revolt of a group of Angels, led by Satan. In this case, the younger "gods" lost the war and were cast into Hell."

There are number of points to consider.

1. According to this link on [[Satan]], Jews believe that Satan is actually an Angel working on the command of God. His job is to test the piety of the believer. So it is incorrect to use this an example of a Titanomachy.

2. Muslims do not believe Satan is an angel at all. Nor does it believe in a revolt in the heavens between the Angels, Satan and God. Rather, the Musliim belief is that Satan (a [[Jinn]]) was disobeyed God and was cast out. There was no challenge power or attempt on Satan's part to fight God. So again, this is an incorrect example of a Titanomachy.

3. While Christians do believe that Satan was an Angel who rebelled against God (in disobedience), there is no belief (to my knowledge) that Satan (a former Angel) fought against God to in order to take his place. So while there might be a slight case for a Titanomachy in this case, it is only a slight one.

Seeing that the comment is misleading as to the belief of these three religions (in a somewhat derogative way), I think it may upset followers of any of these faiths. Furthermore I suggest a detailed background research into some of the other assertions made in this article.






technically you are right and wrong.   Some religions believe exactly what you put and you were fairly accurate on the buddhist beliefs.  However Roman Catholics, Jews, and Mormons beilieve that Satan was God's first child and that he was originally to be the one who did what jesus was sent to do, but he decided that he would rather take all of the glory for himself and leave none for god. Whereas Jesus said that all the glory would be god's ( herein lies the only major difference between judaism and other abrahamic religions on *this* topic in that the jews believe that Jesus will come down to save them from their opressors with an army..(its kinda wrong i know but takes too long to explain)  and i also think that they dont call jesus "jesus".  anyways..Thus satan went to war with god and lost.  Him along with a third of the people in heaven were cast out forever, never to obtain bodies.    You are however right that god sent satan to be a test for all people, in that god is, in all abrahamic religions (cept islam....idk anything bout that) all knowing and thus would have forseen that satan would do such a thing.  For many times throughout the Bible he refers to the fact that good could not exist without evil for there would be nothing but good.  So there could thus obviously be nothing else and good wouldnt really be good.  It would just be the only way and neutral.  it is true that no religion specifies whether satan actually fought god or if he was cast out simply on disobidience.  personally i dont see how he could have "fought" since at that time no one could really die and again god is supposed to be all knowing and all powerful  ( how are you supposed to fight omnipotence *and* omniscience?)

It is also true that this might offend others of other religions for i only really have a good knowledge of buddhism, judaism, mormonism and roman catholocism  (my best friend is a roman catholic and we frequently talk about the differences between his and my religion....there are remarkably few btw(where fundamental beliefs and philosophy are concerned)....i am mormon.....and my roommate is jewish and i talk with him as frequently....as for buddhism i have spent a great deal of time studying it because it interests me)......in short  i also believe more research needs to be done....BUT  this is accurate from the perspectives of a few religions

thus titanomachy could be a legitimate comparison to this depending on the religion you happen to be reffering to and there are countless renditions of christianity...so there is no way to *not* offend someone there because of the vast differing opinions


No, none of that is true.  While the story is very popular among Christians, it doesn't appear in the Bible, isn't dogma of any group I'm aware of, and CERTAINLY isn't accepted by Jews.  Also, you seem to have confused Jewish beliefs about the coming of the messiah with some random-ass nonsense. --[[User:Alakhriveion|Alakhriveion]] 05:50, 23 June 2006 (UTC)


:Ehm... No. Roman Catholicism does not believe that Satan or Lucifer was God's first child. There's some unclear legend about Lucifer (rather than Satan), the most perfect of angels, rebelling against God out of arrogance but I don't think it's part of the Bible nor the Catholic doctrine. In any case nothing about being a "child" but a creation, like the rest. I was raised in Catholicism (though left it as I reached my teens), studied in a Jesuit school and have a sister who's training to teach that religion, so I think I know what I'm talking about. 

:Nevertheless, that obscure Hebrew legend possibly can compare somewhat with the Titanomachy, the same that the Genesis can compare with [[Prometeus]]' creation of Humankind. --[[User:Sugaar|Sugaar]] 04:05, 28 November 2006 (UTC)