Editing Eurovision Wiki:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents (section)

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:'''Support''', seems reasonable to prevent their disruption in that area, and AfC is a good way to demonstrate competence in creating new articles without disrupting mainspace. I'm not sure if this is enforceable on a technical level with a block (as originally proposed), but can be a "ban" / a community sanction, hereinafter any main space creations can be [[WP:G5]]'ed if made. As this is where the disruption occurred, it seems like a good path forward, enabling the editor to show their competence in other areas (which they seem to be trying to do now, and should at least be given a chance to after promising to fix their behaviour). <span style="color:blue; font-variant:small-caps; font-family:Avenir,Arial,Comic Sans MS; font-size:125%">[[User:MolecularPilot|'''M'''olecular'''P'''ilot]][[User talk:MolecularPilot|<sup>'''Talk'''</sup>]]</span> 06:16, 17 March 2026 (UTC)
::I actually dont need LLM support, because LLM did not map the sources. I did in Tree of Fire, and I can do the same in other articles, I am personally not associated with Tree of fire, but after watching the documentary it triggered my interest. I thought there are human in loop guard rails in wikipedia, for example i used AI for infobox and refilling of bare URLs to save time, that is the reason i used article draft not direct publishing, that is the key, text also can be written without LLM it is not rocket science. It is just that in wikipedia trust is luxury. [[User:Agnirmurdhadhiva|Agnirmurdhadhiva]] ([[User talk:Agnirmurdhadhiva|talk]]) 06:22, 17 March 2026 (UTC)

* I'd like to propose an '''alternate''' to this proposal: '''indef on mainspace editing, and all drafts must go through AfC'''. This gives Agnirmurdhadhiva the opportunity to demonstrate competence by making edit requests for mainspace articles, as well as ensuring drafts are suitable. They clearly need to be restricted in some way; this lets them contribute while protecting Wikipedia from AI nonsense. Once it's clear their contributions are up to standard, they can request removal of the restrictions. [[User:Meadowlark|Meadowlark]] ([[User talk:Meadowlark|talk]]) 06:26, 17 March 2026 (UTC)
*:To keep things organised / clear, I'll make a new Proposal 3 for a main space p-block. It sounds like you would then support Proposal 1 & Proposal 3 (applied together)? <span style="color:blue; font-variant:small-caps; font-family:Avenir,Arial,Comic Sans MS; font-size:125%">[[User:MolecularPilot|'''M'''olecular'''P'''ilot]][[User talk:MolecularPilot|<sup>'''Talk'''</sup>]]</span> 06:28, 17 March 2026 (UTC)
*::Thanks for arranging these proposals, it's making it a lot easier. I was suggesting a variant of Prop 1 (indef vs 6 month) + an extra restriction, so I've edited Prop 3 a little to hopefully clarify the idea. [[User:Meadowlark|Meadowlark]] ([[User talk:Meadowlark|talk]]) 06:38, 17 March 2026 (UTC)
*:::Thanks for clarifying it, that makes sense now! I support that, too. <span style="color:blue; font-variant:small-caps; font-family:Avenir,Arial,Comic Sans MS; font-size:125%">[[User:MolecularPilot|'''M'''olecular'''P'''ilot]][[User talk:MolecularPilot|<sup>'''Talk'''</sup>]]</span> 06:40, 17 March 2026 (UTC)
*::That proposal 3 is redundant with proposal 2, which says "indef from article space should be put in place, which they can appeal in 6 months". ~[[User:Anachronist|Anachronist]] (who / me) <small>([[User talk:Anachronist|talk]])</small> ~[[User:Anachronist|Anachronist]] (who / me) <small>([[User talk:Anachronist|talk]])</small> 06:41, 17 March 2026 (UTC)
*:::No, proposal 2, if I read EEng's words right, argues for a {{tq|1=immediate full indef}}, covering all namespaces, which is different from a main space p-block. <span style="color:blue; font-variant:small-caps; font-family:Avenir,Arial,Comic Sans MS; font-size:125%">[[User:MolecularPilot|'''M'''olecular'''P'''ilot]][[User talk:MolecularPilot|<sup>'''Talk'''</sup>]]</span> 06:44, 17 March 2026 (UTC)
*::::Did you read the first bullet point in proposal 2? ~[[User:Anachronist|Anachronist]] (who / me) <small>([[User talk:Anachronist|talk]])</small> 06:55, 17 March 2026 (UTC)
*:::::EEng is alleging that Agnirmurdhadhiva has lied about their AI use, and thus the second bullet point of their statement applies (in the second bullet point they say "as is the case here"). They just give the first one to show their general response. Agnirmurdhadhiva, did not, "own up immediately to their AI use" as the first bullet point describes. <span style="color:blue; font-variant:small-caps; font-family:Avenir,Arial,Comic Sans MS; font-size:125%">[[User:MolecularPilot|'''M'''olecular'''P'''ilot]][[User talk:MolecularPilot|<sup>'''Talk'''</sup>]]</span> 07:07, 17 March 2026 (UTC)
*'''Support''', but only as a third choice between an indef and a ban from article space. [[User:CoffeeCrumbs|CoffeeCrumbs]] ([[User talk:CoffeeCrumbs|talk]]) 07:28, 17 March 2026 (UTC)
*:Here's just an example of why this is insufficient. After this long discussion about them following the rules, Agnirmurdhadhiva added unsourced information indicating that a character in a TV series was based on Vipparthi Adimurthy [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=V._Adimurthy&diff=prev&oldid=1344088672]. Then added a reference to Adimurthy's article linking him to the TV series. After the latter edit was reverted, Agnirmurdhadhiva again placed the reference in Adimurthy's article, again unsourced [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=V._Adimurthy&diff=prev&oldid=1344091493], and then removed the note an editor left on their talk page about adding unsourced material without any reply.
*:(While the edit itself is at least plausible, I can't find anything -- in English at -- least that sources that, or a single reference that connects Adimurthy to the cast member of the TV show. Even ignoring [[WP:OR]], Adimurthy's own article references his work with Chandrayaan-1, a mission that ended in 2009, while the TV show is about later similar missions from 2019 to 2023.) [[User:CoffeeCrumbs|CoffeeCrumbs]] ([[User talk:CoffeeCrumbs|talk]]) 07:50, 18 March 2026 (UTC)
*::I'm concerned about the sourcing at [[Meher Mount Sanctuary]] as I've just removed two references, one was a circular Wikipedia reference. [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Meher_Mount_Sanctuary&diff=1344098798&oldid=1344095469]. 
*::For the second, note how both the Wikipedia article and this website [https://www.meherbabatravels.com/his-close-ones/women/agnes-baron/] have identical wording (complete with typo): ''"The Witch of Sulpfur Mountain " by Elena Jervis, Ventura County Sunday Star 12 September 1999''. 
*::It's also mentioned in the Arabic Wikipedia [https://ar.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D8%AA%D9%84_%D9%85%D9%87%D9%8A%D8%B1]; most of the citations are almost identical so the other possibility is that this [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Meher_Mount_Sanctuary&oldid=1344090856] was a partial (unattributed?) translation. 
*::Either way, I have some doubts that the original source for this reference was checked before being added - since I've not been able to find this one online I've removed it. If anyone can find the original source to verify the citation, please feel free to add it back. Some of the other sources look a little weak too, including blogs,  [[WP:PRIMARY|primary sources]] and others read as rather promotional. [[User:Blue-Sonnet|Blue Sonnet]] ([[User talk:Blue-Sonnet|talk]]) 09:14, 18 March 2026 (UTC)
*'''+1''' as third choice. A critical feature is that the block be lifted only on an explicit appeal which the community can judge on its merits -- no just the passage of time. [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color:red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color:blue;">Eng</b>]] 10:41, 17 March 2026 (UTC)
*:Just for my understanding, hope u went through my last recent response. [[User:Agnirmurdhadhiva|Agnirmurdhadhiva]] ([[User talk:Agnirmurdhadhiva|talk]]) 10:43, 17 March 2026 (UTC)
*'''Support''' this is the least punitive option, I would have preferred something more productive like a couple weeks off of mainspace and working in AfC for awhile. But they don't really show any intent to stop, only after people started talking about months of sanctions did they change their tone. '''[[User:Dr_vulpes|<span style="background:#4B0082; color:white;">Dr vulpes</span>]]''' [[User talk:Dr_vulpes|(Talk)]] 14:27, 17 March 2026 (UTC)
*'''Support''' - Not great behavior in here, obviously, and the articles certainly have issues commensurate with AI text, but they do appear to have stopped bludgeoning like they said they would, which is a positive step. [[User:Gnomingstuff|Gnomingstuff]] ([[User talk:Gnomingstuff|talk]]) 15:50, 18 March 2026 (UTC)