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== [[Draft:Noah Rinker]] ==

The subject seems to pass [[WP:MUSICBIO#C5]], however there are multiple sentences such as {{tq|[...] which went viral on streaming services and became his real breakout}}, which are unsourced and I'd consider NPOV violations. Does this warrant declining the submission as NPOV, or should I just remove those few sentences myself and accept it? [[User:Flexagoon|🍅 fx]] ([[User talk:Flexagoon|talk]]) 00:47, 14 March 2026 (UTC)
:Please read [[WP:AFCPURPOSE]]. Also, why does the review template even have a decline for NPOV? Seems in violation of aforementioned AFCPURPOSE, as that has nothing to do with notability. [[User:Silver seren|<span style="color: dimgrey;">Silver</span>]][[User talk:Silver seren|<span style="color: blue;">seren</span>]]<sup>[[Special:Contributions/Silver seren|C]]</sup> 01:01, 14 March 2026 (UTC)
::The reviewing instructions explicitly say that NPOV is a valid reason to decline a draft, even if notability has been established. {{tq|Now you should read the submission in detail and decide whether it is suitable for Wikipedia. To be suitable, the article must be about a notable subject and be written in an encyclopedic style from a neutral point of view.}} [[User:Flexagoon|🍅 fx]] ([[User talk:Flexagoon|talk]]) 01:16, 14 March 2026 (UTC)
:::Neutrality, especially in regards to promotional language and not something like negative disparagement of a BLP which would be a different problem altogether, is an editing issue, not a notability issue. It should not be under the purview of AfC whatsoever. The article should be passed and tagged with appropriate tags like [[Template:Promotional]]. The reviewing instructions appear to directly conflict with the purpose of AfC. [[User:Silver seren|<span style="color: dimgrey;">Silver</span>]][[User talk:Silver seren|<span style="color: blue;">seren</span>]]<sup>[[Special:Contributions/Silver seren|C]]</sup> 01:29, 14 March 2026 (UTC)
::::I've seen many AfCs rejected for being LLM-generated, even though that is also an editing issue. So I'd say it's the "purpose" section that is inaccurate, not the reviewing instructions, at least judging by how AfCs are reviewed today. [[User:Flexagoon|🍅 fx]] ([[User talk:Flexagoon|talk]]) 01:41, 14 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::Drafts should be accepted if the article is notable (and encyclopedic) even if it requires some cleanup.  If there are problems with the article that can be solved by editing, either do it, add relevant tags, or add a comment to the articles talk page. [[User:JuniperChill|JuniperChill]] ([[User talk:JuniperChill|talk]]) 01:52, 14 March 2026 (UTC)
:@[[User:Flexagoon|Flexagoon]], the npov violations we're worried about are the kind that are so bad it would get G11'd. If it's not ''that'' bad, you can simply tag it for npov and accept, or fix it yourself. Please don't decline for minor npov issues that can be fixed by regular editing without much trouble. -- [[User:Asilvering|asilvering]] ([[User talk:Asilvering|talk]]) 03:10, 14 March 2026 (UTC)
::@[[User:Asilvering|Asilvering]] - Can I run this example through then: [[User:Tarun2095/sandbox]]. I have zero SPI evidence, so I can't submit to that. I've made a COI request of the editor though. It's not AI. But the tone is very promotional, there are references in section headers, it's longwinded, it's not an easy read, so very much NPOV territory. And of course I assume good faith. But in all conscience I can't accept this article, and I suspect AFD would take a dim view too. Rather than accept or decline, given the above, I am tempted to just leave it to another reviewer, which doesn't feel right either. [[User:ChrysGalley|ChrysGalley]] ([[User talk:ChrysGalley|talk]]) 10:32, 14 March 2026 (UTC)
:::@[[User:ChrysGalley|ChrysGalley]], I've removed the giant chunk of primary-sourced stuff at the end, so it should look less daunting now. Looks like a reasonable nbio decline to me. -- [[User:Asilvering|asilvering]] ([[User talk:Asilvering|talk]]) 12:08, 14 March 2026 (UTC)
In case anyone is interested, I spent some good 40 minutes and fixed the draft. Best, --[[User:Johannes Maximilian|Johannes]] ([[User_Talk:Johannes Maximilian|Talk]]) <small>([[Special:Contribs/Johannes Maximilian|Contribs]]) ([[User:Johannes Maximilian/Articles2|Articles]])</small> 12:02, 14 March 2026 (UTC)