Editing Eurovision Wiki:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents (section)

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*'''Support''', for the same reason(s) as my support on Proposal 1. I don't have a preference between 1 and 3, both seem to fine to me, personally. <span style="color:blue; font-variant:small-caps; font-family:Avenir,Arial,Comic Sans MS; font-size:125%">[[User:MolecularPilot|'''M'''olecular'''P'''ilot]][[User talk:MolecularPilot|<sup>'''Talk'''</sup>]]</span> 06:40, 17 March 2026 (UTC)
*'''Support''' though prefer an indef because of the lying. Just using LLMs is bad enough. Us needing to have a Warren Commission-sized investigation in order to get something resembling the truth is an unacceptable situation. [[User:CoffeeCrumbs|CoffeeCrumbs]] ([[User talk:CoffeeCrumbs|talk]]) 07:33, 17 March 2026 (UTC)
*:Love the Warren Commission image. Spot on. [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color:red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color:blue;">Eng</b>]] 11:10, 17 March 2026 (UTC)
*'''Support''' <s>with indef second</s> as secondary to indef. I prefer competency-based blocks/bans to timed, so the editor has a chance to demonstrate they've learned from their mistakes and won't cause further damage to the project. Unfortunately, indiscriminate AI-use has caused a lot of damage to Wikipedia and I've lost count of the number of cases where am editor says they won't use AI then shows an inability to work productively without using it. They ask for one last chance, but didn't engage with the community's concerns on multiple other occasions and the diffs presented are concerning - it shouldn't have taken ANI for them to pay attention to the warnings, stop using AI, be honest with us and cease moving drafts inappropriately & surreptitiously. Agnirmurdhadhiva can still contribute through AFC and [[WP:Edit requests|edit requests]], then ask for the training wheels to be removed once they've had enough of these accepted. I appreciate they feel this isn't necessary, however we need to be stricter with this sort of thing because it's becoming harder and harder for the community to deal with. [[User:Blue-Sonnet|Blue Sonnet]] ([[User talk:Blue-Sonnet|talk]]) 07:35, 17 March 2026 (UTC)
::I've changed my vote in view of assertions that they didn't deny AI usage - <s>and borderline [[WP:BLUDGEON|bludgeoning]]</s> overwhelming the discussion. <s>I also find the flaunting of qualifications distasteful as a reason why they can't be wrong/blocked distasteful, it infers that they should be treated differently to other editors because they have a PhD and work in AI clinical trials.</s> [[User:Blue-Sonnet|Blue Sonnet]] ([[User talk:Blue-Sonnet|talk]]) 10:55, 17 March 2026 (UTC)
:::I am not flaunting qualifications my dear, I am setting the context why I used AI in the first place.[[User:Agnirmurdhadhiva|Agnirmurdhadhiva]] ([[User talk:Agnirmurdhadhiva|talk]]) 10:57, 17 March 2026 (UTC)
::::Thank you for the clarification. [[User:Blue-Sonnet|Blue Sonnet]] ([[User talk:Blue-Sonnet|talk]]) 11:01, 17 March 2026 (UTC)
::::Please read what I discussed, dont infer things which I did not say. Please read my responses with neutral point of view [[User:Agnirmurdhadhiva|Agnirmurdhadhiva]] ([[User talk:Agnirmurdhadhiva|talk]]) 11:02, 17 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::Please calm down as you don't need to reply to every post (or reply immediately) - if you'd given it a couple of minutes you'd have seen I'd struck that part of my post. You're getting very close to <s>bludgeoning</s> overwhelming the discussion, which I mentioned above. [[User:Blue-Sonnet|Blue Sonnet]] ([[User talk:Blue-Sonnet|talk]]) 11:09, 17 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::You are provoking me with similar statements, and expecting a reaction out of me. I have clearly explained why I used AI and why dont use AI going forward. Why are you again and again supporting supporting to increase vote count so that indefinetly get blocked? [[User:Agnirmurdhadhiva|Agnirmurdhadhiva]] ([[User talk:Agnirmurdhadhiva|talk]]) 11:12, 17 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::I'm not responding any further as per my comment [[Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents#c-Blue-Sonnet-20260317111200-Blue-Sonnet-20260317111000|above.]] 
:::::::I'm sorry that you feel I'm harassing you, but I'm not going to engage any further as I can't keep up. 
:::::::If I'm wrong or being unfair then the votes of other editors will make this clear and outweigh mine. [[User:Blue-Sonnet|Blue Sonnet]] ([[User talk:Blue-Sonnet|talk]]) 11:22, 17 March 2026 (UTC)
*'''Support''' on the condition that if they just continue to use AI by submitting slop to AFC, then their pblock is upgraded to a full indef at any admins discretion. [[User:Nil NZ|<span style="color:#000;font-family:Comic Sans MS;border-radius:20px;background-color:#8ACE00;padding:4px 7px 5px 7px">nil</span>]]<sup> [[User talk:Nil NZ|<span style="color:#000">nz</span>]]</sup> 10:59, 17 March 2026 (UTC)
*:Why would I submit slop to AFC did u read my responses at all? [[User:Agnirmurdhadhiva|Agnirmurdhadhiva]] ([[User talk:Agnirmurdhadhiva|talk]]) 11:23, 17 March 2026 (UTC)
*::Because you lied about using AI previously, and for all I know you're lying when you say you'll ''never ever'' use it again. [[User:Nil NZ|<span style="color:#000;font-family:Comic Sans MS;border-radius:20px;background-color:#8ACE00;padding:4px 7px 5px 7px">nil</span>]]<sup> [[User talk:Nil NZ|<span style="color:#000">nz</span>]]</sup> 11:28, 17 March 2026 (UTC)
*:::I did not lie the appealer agreed that he provoked and harrased me it was just a reaction. Stop harassing me, u have stated ur opinion so pls leave the portal. Thanks [[User:Agnirmurdhadhiva|Agnirmurdhadhiva]] ([[User talk:Agnirmurdhadhiva|talk]]) 11:32, 17 March 2026 (UTC)
*::::If you don't want me answering your question, then don't ask me questions in the first place. That's not "harassment"... [[User:Nil NZ|<span style="color:#000;font-family:Comic Sans MS;border-radius:20px;background-color:#8ACE00;padding:4px 7px 5px 7px">nil</span>]]<sup> [[User talk:Nil NZ|<span style="color:#000">nz</span>]]</sup> 11:38, 17 March 2026 (UTC)
*:::::You are predicting my future beahvior it is harrasment only [[User:Agnirmurdhadhiva|Agnirmurdhadhiva]] ([[User talk:Agnirmurdhadhiva|talk]]) 11:58, 17 March 2026 (UTC)
*::::Trying to expel editors from whatever you call this will only convince readers to boot you instead. [[User:Borgenland|Borgenland]] ([[User talk:Borgenland|talk]]) 14:05, 17 March 2026 (UTC)
*::::I did what now? Seriously @[[User:Agnirmurdhadhiva|Agnirmurdhadhiva]], after all of this you're still trying to blame me for your AI use? Have you learned anything? '''[[User:Dr_vulpes|<span style="background:#4B0082; color:white;">Dr vulpes</span>]]''' [[User talk:Dr_vulpes|(Talk)]] 14:21, 17 March 2026 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''', give this editor a break (and a week off to enjoy the non-Wikipedia world) but put on an ankle monitor. [[User:Randy Kryn|Randy Kryn]] ([[User talk:Randy Kryn|talk]]) 11:26, 17 March 2026 (UTC)
*:I would have been fine with a slap on the wrist and mentoring/monitoring, that would have been the best possible outcome and what we should strive for. But even now he somehow blames me for him using AI. {{shrug}} '''[[User:Dr_vulpes|<span style="background:#4B0082; color:white;">Dr vulpes</span>]]''' [[User talk:Dr_vulpes|(Talk)]] 14:23, 17 March 2026 (UTC)
*'''Support''', but if they continue to use AI slop, then indef them. 🚂[[User:ThatTrainGuy1945|<span style="color:blue"><b>That</b></span><span style="color:red"><b>Train</b></span><span style="color:blue"><b>Guy</b></span><span style="color:red"><b>1945</b></span>]] <sup>[[User talk:ThatTrainGuy1945|Peep peep!]]</sup> 11:39, 17 March 2026 (UTC)
*:Are you sure every editor in wikipedia is checked for AI? Is there any automatic AI filter which would not allow editor to publish even in draft space? You are asking me about human in loop so how better u udnerstand AI? [[User:Agnirmurdhadhiva|Agnirmurdhadhiva]] ([[User talk:Agnirmurdhadhiva|talk]]) 11:57, 17 March 2026 (UTC)
*'''Support''', as long as Agnirmurdhadhiva [[law of holes|stops digging]]. --[[User talk:SarekOfVulcan|<span class="gfSarekSig">SarekOfVulcan (talk)</span>]] 15:23, 17 March 2026 (UTC)
*'''Support''' for evident lying and competence issues. I'm reluctant to see more slop at AfC, but if AfC patrollers need to haul them back to ANI, we'll have this thread on their record. '''[[User:ClaudineChionh|ClaudineChionh]]''' <small>([[Wikipedia:Editors' pronouns|''she/her'']] · [[User talk:ClaudineChionh|talk]] · [[Special:EmailUser/ClaudineChionh|email]] · [[m:User:ClaudineChionh|global]])</small> 22:00, 17 March 2026 (UTC)
*'''I'm OK with this but only as a second choice''' after an initial full indef, per my (a)(b)(c) outline earlier in this thread. This is the action we should take for people who admit their AI use and show a rapid acknowledgement of its inappropriateness. But this isn't one of those editors -- this one lied about their AI use, and that implies that a longer path of rehabilitation is required. [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color:red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color:blue;">Eng</b>]] 23:50, 17 March 2026 (UTC)
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*I just want to highlight that after all the discussion, all the trying to titrate just the right form and duration of block, all the time wasted, this jackass turns out to be a serial sockmaster. I mean it when I say this: the use of AI to generate article content or discussion posts is ''ipso facto'' proof either of incompetence (in the case of someone who can't see why AI use is a losing proposition), or of NOTHERE (in the case of someone who knows AI use is counterproductive, but doesn't care). There is no salvaging such people.
:I am thus completely serious in my (a)(b)(c) outline above of how to deal with AI use, to wit, either ''immediate'' indef from article space (if they instantly own up to using AI, don't argue about it, and sincerely undertake never to do it again), or ''immediate'' full indef (if they prevaricate, perseverate, pettifog, or prestidigitate).
:AI will destroy Wikipedia faster than you can say "melanoma" if we don't cut the cancer out immediately. [[Carthage must be destroyed|We must destroy it first]]. We must be merciless. [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color:red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color:blue;">Eng</b>]] 01:51, 19 March 2026 (UTC)
::I agree with you, though I'm skeptical that the community will fully embrace this until far more damage is done. I would say that overall, to continue the analogy, we're still at the stage of dabbling with homeopathic remedies. [[User:CoffeeCrumbs|CoffeeCrumbs]] ([[User talk:CoffeeCrumbs|talk]]) 04:37, 19 March 2026 (UTC)