Editing Eurovision Wiki:Administrative action review (section)

== 2 March 2026 block by The Blade of the Northern Lights ==
:Diffs/logs: [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&logid=178033478 block log]
:User: {{User3|The Blade of the Northern Lights}} ([[WP:AN/I#Homophobic hatred by ~2026-13552-25|prior discussion]])
The temporary account [[Special:Contribs/~2026-13552-25|~2026-13552-25]] was blocked indefinitely by User:The Blade of the Northern Lights for WP:NOTHERE, very soon after it was reported at the AN/I thread linked in "prior discussion". Since that block 15 days ago, the AN/I thread has garnered considerable controversy over the block, which has continued to this present day. Hence, I am opening this AARV thread as the proper venue to formally discuss whether or not the block by The Blade of the Northern Lights was a good one. Note that I have nothing personal against the admin who placed the block of course, and the other reason why I wanted to open this thread is so other admins might have a better idea of what to do should they come across a situation like this temporary account in the future. <br /> As for why the block itself seems like a bad one, it is down to the fact that the temp-acc only made two edits, the offending edit wasn't a bad-faith change ([[Special:Diff/1341281122|diff]]), and the edit summary simply only said "Milei is right", rather than blatantly being supportive of Nazis or the like. Note that this is not my own view, I am actually neutral on this matter, this view is from the comments that disapprove of the block on the AN/I thread. —&nbsp;[[User:AP 499D25|<span style="background:#1F6295;color:white;padding:1q 5q;border-radius:10q;font-family:Franklin Gothic, Verdana">AP&nbsp;499D25</span>]] [[User talk:AP 499D25|<span style="color:#1A527D">(talk)</span>]] 10:26, 17 March 2026 (UTC)
*Looks like an advocate for the politics of [[Javier Milei]]. Advocating ''any'' political position looks [[WP:NOTHERE]] to me. YMMV. ([[Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents#Homophobic_hatred_by_~2026-13552-25|Link to ANI discussion]].) I don't agree with those defending this user. Homophobia has no place in this encyclopedia. No form of hate speech does. ([[WP:HATEISDISRUPTIVE]])[[User:Deepfriedokra|&#45;-  the former admin Deepfriedokra]] ([[User talk:Deepfriedokra|talk]]) 11:28, 17 March 2026 (UTC)
*It was a [[WP:NOTHERE]] block. [[WP:SOAP]] and [[WP:BATTLE]]'s {{tq|Wikipedia is not a place to...carry on ideological battles or nurture prejudice, hatred, or fear.}} are policy, sufficient reason for a block. I don't think the [[WP:NONAZIS]] and [[WP:HATEISDISRUPTIVE]] essays need be part of this review. Should not derail the discussion with opinions on those essays. [[User:Fiveby|fiveby]]([[User talk:Fiveby|zero]]) 13:23, 17 March 2026 (UTC)
*:Well taken. Agree with ''policy based'' rationale. [[User:Deepfriedokra|&#45;-  the former admin Deepfriedokra]] ([[User talk:Deepfriedokra|talk]]) 13:31, 17 March 2026 (UTC)

:'''Good block,''' no doubt about it. I agree with the thesis of [[WP:HID]] that expressing hateful views is disruptive editing by default. [[User:Athanelar|Athanelar]] ([[User talk:Athanelar|talk]]) 14:29, 17 March 2026 (UTC)
:'''Good block'''. I'd support this 1000 times over. [[User:TheClocksAlwaysTurn|TheClocksAlwaysTurn]] ([[User talk:TheClocksAlwaysTurn|The Clockworks]]) ([[Special:Contributions/TheClocksAlwaysTurn|contribs]]) 14:49, 17 March 2026 (UTC)
:I'm not a fan of this block, because I believe in giving people rather more warning than this before showing them the door. But I don't think Blade's assessment of the situation was likely to be wrong. If the TA appealed I'd probably give them a [[WP:LASTCHANCE]] and tell them they're on thin ice. -- [[User:Asilvering|asilvering]] ([[User talk:Asilvering|talk]]) 16:36, 17 March 2026 (UTC)
*A bit of a strong reaction, perhaps.—[[User:S Marshall|<b style="font-family: Verdana; color: Maroon;">S&nbsp;Marshall</b>]]&nbsp;<small>[[User talk:S Marshall|T]]/[[Special:Contributions/S Marshall|C]]</small> 21:30, 17 March 2026 (UTC)
*I would not have made the same block in this situation – I probably would've warned, as asilvering suggests – but that does not mean I support overturning the block. I am unconvinced of the rather confident declaration several have made that this editor is "not here to build an encyclopedia", as both of their edits were constructive. But they certainly knew what they were doing with the [[WP:DE|disruptive]] edit summary, so splitting hairs over the rationale is pointless. This editor is of course welcome to request an unblock at any time, and if they commit to not make inflammatory political statements irrelevant to their editing I am confident that request would be granted. '''[[User:Toadspike|<span style="color:#21a81e;font-variant:small-caps">Toadspike</span>]] [[User talk:Toadspike|<span style="color:#21a81e;font-variant:small-caps">[Talk]</span>]]''' 21:50, 17 March 2026 (UTC)

*I am in favour of rescinding the block, albeit not without mixed feelings. I share the perspective of most respondents to the involved discussions that the user in question is more likely than not to prove to be [[WP:NOTHERE]], and thus I am sympathetic to arguments that the block should be upheld for basically [[WP:BURO]] reasons.  Nevertheless, I am concerned about the implications for project function, culture and longterm viability if we begin to block users simply for saying something that implies they hold views which the average Wikipedia would view as amoral--which is, without exaggeration, what happened here.  Not even the slightest effort at communication was undertaken by the reporting party or the blocking admin to test the supposition that this user was ''[[per se]]'' incompatible with project behavioural guidelines, and the block came immediately, without the community being given an opportunity to assess and support a determination that their presumed views are definitionally [[WP:disruptive]] or whether a sanction short of an indef (for example, a GENSEX TBAN) might have prevented disruption, as required under [[WP:PREVENTATIVE]].{{pb}}  That is far too laissez-faire and problematic a process for validating blocks, especially indefs, based entirely on the perceived values of an editor.  I too find the user's apparent beliefs noxious (and would like to believe I would do even if I weren't a target of the specific form of bigotry in question here).  And I don't suspect we will miss this user's contributions, if they remain blocked.  But there are broader considerations at play here, and I am very concerned about the longterm implications if we begin to allow admins to unilaterally indef users for nothing more than revealing moral, social, and political views which run against the grain of the average Wikipedian's--which is not a grounds for blocking which is recognized under any policy or community consensus.  In fact, that premise is only supported by [[WP:NONAZIS]], the only principle cited by the the ANI reporter, and one the community as a whole has repeatedly and expressly refused to adopt into policy, for exactly the reasons and concerns implicated by this block.  {{pb}} Without a shred of doubt, I believe Blade of the Northern Lights acted in good faith to protect the project against someone who probably would prove to be incompatible with the project eventually.  At the same time, I do not think they, or any admin, should have the discretion to block (let alone indef) based on speculation that another user's views on a controversial topic make them de facto incapable of being [[WP:HERE]], unless and until unambiguous [[WP:Disruption]] has already taken place, or another policy has been clearly violated.  In my view, that crosses the line between protecting project interests and into sphere of curating community membership and ideologically gating project participation. This is an edge case with an unsympathetic subject, but the principles involved are important, and the resulting precedent could be very damaging to project culture and stability. ''[[User:Snow Rise|<b style="color:#19a0fd;">S</b><b style="color:#66c0fd">n</b><b style="color:#99d5fe;">o</b><b style="color:#b2dffe;">w</b><b style="color:#B27EB2;">Rise</b>]][[User talk:Snow Rise|<sup><b style="color:#d4143a"> let's rap</b></sup>]]'' 01:57, 18 March 2026 (UTC)
*:Kind of a team effort in getting to where we are right now tho isn't it? {{u|CoryGlee}} should have read the notice atop ANI and warned the editor themselves probably. Concerns about this particular block should have gone to TBotNL's talk page first maybe? Larger issues such as "implications for project function, culture and longterm viability" are very unlikely to get resolved at ANI, or here. [[User:Fiveby|fiveby]]([[User talk:Fiveby|zero]]) 02:20, 18 March 2026 (UTC)
*:Blocks are meant to be preventative, not punitive, which it seems like this was. [[User:Parabolist|Parabolist]] ([[User talk:Parabolist|talk]]) 20:56, 18 March 2026 (UTC)
*Just a note that I'm aware of this, I won't stand in the way of anyone else who takes action as a result of this discussion, if there's consensus I should take some action I'll go ahead and do it, and whatever the outcome of this discussion is I'll take that into account going forward. If there's anything I can clarify I will, and I'll otherwise observe the development of this review. [[User:The Blade of the Northern Lights|The Blade of the Northern Lights]] ([[User talk:The Blade of the Northern Lights#top|<span style="font-family: MS Mincho; color: black;">話して下さい</span>]]) 02:04, 18 March 2026 (UTC)
*Hello, given that I was the ANI reporter, and that I was myself at ANI days later due to stress-induced stupidity, I will limit myself (as I promised to those involved with my stressed behaviour) to saying that, when I filed the ANI report about that TA, I was not asking for an indefinite block nor pursuing an indefinite block because I ''completely'' lack of administrators' rationales to apply sanctions. If I have to recognize something, I concede that I should've warned the user; if I did not, it was in part because it was a TA (no prejudice) and whose two only contributions were controversial, most especially the one in the article about the Zulocks. --[[User:CoryGlee|<span style="color:fuchsia;">CoryGlee</span>]] 04:08, 18 March 2026 (UTC)
* I'm not going to push for overturning the block, but I'm otherwise in agreement with Snow Rise. I'll also add that the preferable option is probably to enforce [[WP:SOAPBOX]] by telling people that commentary or advocacy unrelated to Wikipedia should be conducted somewhere other than Wikipedia, regardless of how agreeable or disagreeable it is. '''[[User:Thebiguglyalien|<span style="color:#0c4709">Thebiguglyalien</span>]]''' ([[User talk:Thebiguglyalien|<span style="color:#472c09">talk</span>]]) 05:20, 18 March 2026 (UTC)
* Strongly agreed with SnowRise, including the mixed feelings, but I'd also like to emphasize that this is a case where TBotNL made a decision within what I would consider admin discretion. I would prefer that we warn first in cases like this, but it was a basically reasonable action and not something that should be counted as a mark against TBotNL's judgment. [[User:Rusalkii|<span style="color:#1C7E85"><b>Rusalkii</b></span>]] ([[User talk:Rusalkii|talk]]) 01:57, 19 March 2026 (UTC)
*'''Good block''' - the blocked user's edit summary was extremely uncivil toward LGBTQ Wikipedians, and there's zero reason editors should waste time and effort wringing our hands about process about something this blatant. [[User:Hatman31|Hatman31]] <small>(he/him · [[User talk:Hatman31|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Hatman31|contribs]])</small> 03:57, 19 March 2026 (UTC)