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== PreserveTube ==

Is PreserveTube (https://preservetube.com/) permitted as an archival service for YouTube videos? While it is effective at archiving YouTube videos, it is not listed at [[Wikipedia:List of web archives on Wikipedia]]. It appears to be relatively transparent, being open source. Are there any potential issues regarding this website which could in any way prevent its use on Wikipedia? ―<span style="border: 1px solid black; padding: 1px; border-radius: 5px;">[[User:Howardcorn33|<b>Howard</b>]] • [[User talk:Howardcorn33|🌽<sup>33</sup>]]</span> 16:39, 22 February 2026 (UTC)
:Looks like a copyright violating site to me. No evidence they have permission for the videos, and the fact they've had DCMA takedowns supports that. As a result [[WP:COPYLINK]]. [[User:Canterbury Tail|<b style="color: Blue;">Canterbury Tail</b>]] [[User talk:Canterbury Tail|<i style="color: Blue;">talk</i>]] 17:31, 22 February 2026 (UTC)
::I don't think this matters when we're talking about web archiving.  [[user:sapphaline|<span class="skin-nightmode-reset-color" style="color:#c20;text-decoration:underline">sapphaline</span>]] ([[user talk:sapphaline|<span class="skin-nightmode-reset-color" style="color:#236;text-decoration:underline">talk</span>]]) 17:47, 22 February 2026 (UTC)
:::By the way, this might be owned by the same person who owns archive.today.  [[user:sapphaline|<span class="skin-nightmode-reset-color" style="color:#c20;text-decoration:underline">sapphaline</span>]] ([[user talk:sapphaline|<span class="skin-nightmode-reset-color" style="color:#236;text-decoration:underline">talk</span>]]) 17:53, 22 February 2026 (UTC)
::::If this is true, it should also be blacklisted, but please provide your evidence for this assertion. ―<span style="border: 1px solid black; padding: 1px; border-radius: 5px;">[[User:Howardcorn33|<b>Howard</b>]] • [[User talk:Howardcorn33|🌽<sup>33</sup>]]</span> 17:54, 22 February 2026 (UTC)
:::::Same domain registrar (this is literally the second site I know of with a domain registered on Tucows, first being archive.today) and the description on the main page is a word-by-word copy from archive.today's main page.  Not much, I know.  [[user:sapphaline|<span class="skin-nightmode-reset-color" style="color:#c20;text-decoration:underline">sapphaline</span>]] ([[user talk:sapphaline|<span class="skin-nightmode-reset-color" style="color:#236;text-decoration:underline">talk</span>]]) 18:03, 22 February 2026 (UTC)
::::::In that case, I am going to open a discussion at [[Wikipedia talk:Archive.today guidance]] so that it may be considered whether links to preservetube.com should also be blacklisted. ―<span style="border: 1px solid black; padding: 1px; border-radius: 5px;">[[User:Howardcorn33|<b>Howard</b>]] • [[User talk:Howardcorn33|🌽<sup>33</sup>]]</span> 18:08, 22 February 2026 (UTC)
::::::I will say that using Tucows is not at all evidence that these sites are owned by the same person. It is just a good domain registrar for this kind of thing, I've used it myself. [[User:PARAKANYAA|PARAKANYAA]] ([[User talk:PARAKANYAA|talk]]) 03:58, 24 February 2026 (UTC)
:::::::Yup, Tucows is one of the original internet registrars and one of the biggest names from the early days of the internet. Those of us who were in university in the 90s know the name well. Being registered with Tucows indicates nothing. It's like saying they're bad because they use Shopify or Squarespace. [[User:Canterbury Tail|<b style="color: Blue;">Canterbury Tail</b>]] [[User talk:Canterbury Tail|<i style="color: Blue;">talk</i>]] 13:59, 24 February 2026 (UTC)
::@[[User:Canterbury Tail|Canterbury Tail]]: we've permitted Ghost Archive which does the same thing and said so openly about its capacity to archive videos at [[Wikipedia:List_of_web_archives_on_Wikipedia#Ghost_Archive]]. ―<span style="border: 1px solid black; padding: 1px; border-radius: 5px;">[[User:Howardcorn33|<b>Howard</b>]] • [[User talk:Howardcorn33|🌽<sup>33</sup>]]</span> 17:54, 22 February 2026 (UTC)
:::Yes and I think that is a gross mistake, but I'm not a lawyer. [[User:Canterbury Tail|<b style="color: Blue;">Canterbury Tail</b>]] [[User talk:Canterbury Tail|<i style="color: Blue;">talk</i>]] 20:48, 22 February 2026 (UTC)
::::What is the difference between archiving a copyrighted webpage and archiving a copyrighted video? ―<span style="border: 1px solid black; padding: 1px; border-radius: 5px;">[[User:Howardcorn33|<b>Howard</b>]] • [[User talk:Howardcorn33|🌽<sup>33</sup>]]</span> 20:57, 22 February 2026 (UTC)
:::::Nothing. I don't think we should be linking to archived copies of copyrighted webpages either without the copyright holders permission. [[User:Canterbury Tail|<b style="color: Blue;">Canterbury Tail</b>]] [[User talk:Canterbury Tail|<i style="color: Blue;">talk</i>]] 21:16, 22 February 2026 (UTC)
::::::We would have to do away with like 99% of all archives on our citations then. ―<span style="border: 1px solid black; padding: 1px; border-radius: 5px;">[[User:Howardcorn33|<b>Howard</b>]] • [[User talk:Howardcorn33|🌽<sup>33</sup>]]</span> 03:19, 26 February 2026 (UTC)
:::::::Yup. [[User:Canterbury Tail|<b style="color: Blue;">Canterbury Tail</b>]] [[User talk:Canterbury Tail|<i style="color: Blue;">talk</i>]] 13:36, 26 February 2026 (UTC)