Editing Talk:Jewish holidays (section)

== Title of article ==

I wish to call your attention to the fact that the title of this article, "Jewish holidays," is wrongly translated in the page's title as "Yom Tov" / "Yamim Tovim." It is a misnomer, and should have rather been translated as " '''Chagim Yehudim''' " (Heb. חגים יהודיים). This is because, in classical Hebrew (or in rabbinic Hebrew), the word "Tom Tov" has a limited meaning, and excludes some Jewish holidays, such as Purim, Hanukkah and Yom Kippur.[[User:Davidbena|Davidbena]] ([[User talk:Davidbena|talk]]) 20:43, 26 December 2015 (UTC)

:What David is saying is true. There is a distinction between jewish holidays (chagim) and yamim tovim, which include another set of restrictions. This is the first thing someone reads on the article, and it is misleading.  <!-- Template:Unsigned --><small><span class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Maddogpc|Maddogpc]] ([[User talk:Maddogpc|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Maddogpc|contribs]]) 05:09, 14 August 2016 (UTC)</span></small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

::In Israel I have also seen the translation "Mo'adei Israel" or "Chagei Israel". I think that is better than "Chagim Yehudim", which isn't an official term. Compare the Hebrew Wikipedia article "[https://he.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D7%97%D7%92%D7%99_%D7%99%D7%A9%D7%A8%D7%90%D7%9C_%D7%95%D7%9E%D7%95%D7%A2%D7%93%D7%99%D7%95 חגי ישראל ומועדיו]". [[User:Debresser|Debresser]] ([[User talk:Debresser|talk]]) 09:08, 14 August 2016 (UTC)

:::"Jewish holidays" is the right name in English (or at least "Jewish holidays and commemorations"). {{slink|Jewish holidays|Terminology used to describe Jewish holidays|nopage=y}} goes through the terminology issue. So is it better not to put anything in the lead? If we're going to put something in the lead, I'm going to vote for מועדי ישראל, because we start with Shabbat.  [[User:StevenJ81|StevenJ81]] ([[User talk:StevenJ81|talk]]) 17:00, 14 August 2016 (UTC)

:::: That section actually makes the case that "Chagim" is a more universal term than "Yamim Tovim". [[User:Debresser|Debresser]] ([[User talk:Debresser|talk]]) 18:02, 14 August 2016 (UTC)

::::: It does, and it is. I actually didn't add that translation in; it was one of the few things that existed before I reworked the page, and I just left it alone. I would argue that ''moed'' is most general (and can include Shabbat and fasts), ''chagim'' next, and ''yom tov'' last. [[User:StevenJ81|StevenJ81]] ([[User talk:StevenJ81|talk]]) 18:15, 14 August 2016 (UTC)