Editing Talk:Waste management (section)

== Proposed summary for technical prose ==

I've been using Google's Gemini 2.5 Pro Experimental [[large language model]] to create summaries for the most popular articles with {{tl|Technical}} templates. This article, Waste management, has such a template above the entire article. Here is the paragraph summary at grade 5 reading level which Gemini 2.5 Pro suggested:

:Waste management is how we handle all our trash and garbage, from the time we make it until we get rid of it. This includes collecting trash, moving it, treating it, and disposing of it safely, like putting it in landfills (big holes in the ground) or burning it. Trash can be solid stuff, liquids, or even gases, and it comes from homes, schools, and businesses. It's important to manage waste the right way to keep people healthy and protect the Earth from getting dirty. Good waste management tries to reduce the bad effects of trash by doing things like recycling, which turns old materials like paper, plastic, and metal into new things, or composting food scraps to make soil. The best ways are to make less trash in the first place and reuse things whenever possible.

While I have read and may have made some modifications to that summary, I am not going to add it to the article because I want other editors to review, revise if appropriate, and add it instead. This is an experiment with a few dozen articles initially to see how these suggestions are received, and after a week or two, I will decide how to proceed. Thank you for your consideration. [[User:Cramulator|Cramulator]] ([[User talk:Cramulator|talk]]) 12:34, 2 April 2025 (UTC)

:{{u|Cramulator}} - Please don't use that version. It isn't in encyclopaedic language, it uses first person pronouns, it is written is very american English and is factually wrong. For example, we don't "..make trash"; landfills are not simply "..big holes in the ground"; "..protect the Earth from getting dirty" is a meaningless gross over simplification; composting food waste doesn't make soil. Even on Simple Wikipedia this would not be appropriate. Please also see [[WP:Using neural network language models on Wikipedia]]<span style="background-color:lightblue">'''''&nbsp;[[User:Velella|Velella]]&nbsp;'''''</span><span style="background-color:lightblue">&nbsp;<sup>''[[User talk:Velella|Velella]] Talk ''</sup>&nbsp;</span> 15:31, 2 April 2025 (UTC)
::I have learned that fifth grade level, which I understood to be World Book Encyclopedia's reading level, is not appropriate on Wikipedia where the target reading level for STEM articles is ninth grade. I've regenerated all 68 of the suggestions at [[User:Cramulator/Summaries9.json|ninth grade reading level here]]. For this article, it is:
:::Waste management is the process of handling trash from when it's created until it's finally disposed of. This involves collecting, transporting, treating, and getting rid of various types of waste, such as solids, liquids, gases, household garbage, industrial materials, and electronic waste (e-waste). The main goal is to reduce the harmful effects of waste on people's health, the environment, and natural resources. Common practices include following the "waste hierarchy" (reduce, reuse, recycle are the best options), separating waste types, and using disposal methods like landfills or burning (incineration), sometimes to create energy. While essential for sustainable cities, managing waste properly can be challenging and costly, especially in developing countries, and dealing with issues like e-waste and widespread mismanagement remains a global concern.
::Is that more acceptable to you? [[User:Cramulator|Cramulator]] ([[User talk:Cramulator|talk]]) 16:01, 2 April 2025 (UTC)
:Use of LLM needs to be discussed by the entire Wikipedia community, not just those interested in one article. You can start at [[WP:Village pump]]. [[User:Sundayclose|Sundayclose]] ([[User talk:Sundayclose|talk]]) 16:04, 2 April 2025 (UTC)

I am retracting this and the other LLM-generated suggestions due to clear negative consensus [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Village_pump_(miscellaneous)&oldid=1283927858#I_boldly_put_LLM-generated_summary_suggestions_on_the_talk_pages_of_the_68_most_popular_articles_with_Technical_templates  at the Village Pump]. I will be posting a thorough postmortem report in mid-April to the [[User:Cramulator/Summaries_source_code|source code release page]]. Thanks to all who commented on the suggestions both negatively and positively, and especially to those editors who have manually addressed the overly technical cleanup issue on six, so far, of the 68 articles where suggestions were posted. [[User:Cramulator|Cramulator]] ([[User talk:Cramulator|talk]]) 22:42, 4 April 2025 (UTC)

:Late to the discussion, but [[MOS:CONTRACTION|contractions]] have been recognized as unencyclopedically colloquial as long as I've been here. '''[[User:Julietdeltalima|<span style="color:#006600;font-family:Futura">Julietdeltalima</span>]]''' ''[[User talk:Julietdeltalima|<span style="color:#806000">(talk)</span>]]'' 09:46, 18 July 2025 (UTC)
::I've now realized this discussion has been moot for a few months, but I'm leaving this comment in place for the benefit of, uh, anyone who might find it beneficial. '''[[User:Julietdeltalima|<span style="color:#006600;font-family:Futura">Julietdeltalima</span>]]''' ''[[User talk:Julietdeltalima|<span style="color:#806000">(talk)</span>]]'' 09:52, 18 July 2025 (UTC)