Editing Eurovision Wiki:Help desk (section)

== Best practice? ==

The disambiguation page [[Museum of Modern Art (disambiguation)]] should, in my view, be classified as a "List of..." page (e.g., [[List of museums and cultural institutions in New York City]], [[List of largest art museums]], [[List of most-visited museums in the United States]]), or an ordinary mainspace article with a prominent "List of museums of modern art" section (such as [[Design museum]]). Is this something that requires discussion (and if so, where), or is it something one can simply go ahead and implement? It doesn't seem like contentious change, but I thought it best to ask first. Cheers, [[User:Cl3phact0|Cl3phact0]] ([[User talk:Cl3phact0|talk]]) 12:15, 17 March 2026 (UTC)
:{{ping|Cl3phact0}} We already have [[Museums of modern art]]. [[Museum of Modern Art (disambiguation)]] is for museums where it's in the name. [[User:PrimeHunter|PrimeHunter]] ([[User talk:PrimeHunter|talk]]) 12:22, 17 March 2026 (UTC)
::Perfect, thank you. -- [[User:Cl3phact0|Cl3phact0]] ([[User talk:Cl3phact0|talk]]) 12:35, 17 March 2026 (UTC)
:::{{ping|Cl3phact0}} I see you removed the [[WP:HAT|hatnote]] to the disambiguation page from [[Museum of Modern Art]]. Never do that when it has the exact same title with "(disambiguation)" added, and very rarely when it has a similar title. I have restored it. The purpose of a hatnote is to help readers who were looking for another subject with the same or similar ''name'' as the article (or a redirect to it). [[User:PrimeHunter|PrimeHunter]] ([[User talk:PrimeHunter|talk]]) 12:38, 17 March 2026 (UTC)
::::It seemed like one too many hatnotes and rather unnecessary (also rather a mess viewed on a mobile device). Your call. Also, shall we add [[Museums of modern art]] back to the MoMA "See also" section then (where you've removed the [[Museum of Modern Art (disambiguation)]] link? Cheers, [[User:Cl3phact0|Cl3phact0]] ([[User talk:Cl3phact0|talk]]) 12:48, 17 March 2026 (UTC)
::::PS: In fact, one might say that at the top of [[MoMA]] article, the first ''and'' third of the hatnotes (i.e., <code><nowiki>{{About|the New York museum}}</nowiki></code> and <code><nowiki>{{Distinguish|Metropolitan Museum of Art}}</nowiki></code> serve little purpose and bloat the article's top section with things that are not necessarily useful to most readers. -- [[User:Cl3phact0|Cl3phact0]] ([[User talk:Cl3phact0|talk]]) 13:15, 17 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::{{ping|Cl3phact0}} Hatnotes are for readers who were looking for another article and for example entered "museum of modern art" in our search box with no interest in the New York museum, so a hatnote to [[Museum of Modern Art (disambiguation)]] is certainly necessary. See also sections are for readers who ''were'' interested in this article and may also be interested in other related articles based on subject, not name. Disambiguation pages should not be linked per [[MOS:NOTSEEALSO]]. [[Museums of modern art]] might be linked but it has no more reason to be linked in [[Museum of Modern Art]] than in any other article about a museum of modern art. [[User:PrimeHunter|PrimeHunter]] ([[User talk:PrimeHunter|talk]]) 14:31, 17 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::Not really my primary focus here, all of this, but good info to have! Thanks. What about {{tlx|Distinguish}}? Are we actually concerned that readers will mix up the Metropolitan Museum and the MoMA? -- [[User:Cl3phact0|Cl3phact0]] ([[User talk:Cl3phact0|talk]]) 15:23, 17 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::{{ping|Cl3phact0}} [[Museum of Modern Art]] and [[Metropolitan Museum of Art]] are famous art museums in the same city so readers may confuse them even if their names are not so similar. The MoMA hatnote is for readers who entered [[MoMA]] or maybe some other capitalizations in the search box and were redirected to [[Museum of Modern Art]] but wanted something else at [[Moma]]. I think all hatnotes are OK but they could be grouped like they were [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Museum_of_Modern_Art&oldid=1337182366 before your edits]. [[User:PrimeHunter|PrimeHunter]] ([[User talk:PrimeHunter|talk]]) 15:50, 17 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::New York has quite a few famous art museums beyond the Metropolitan and MoMA (e.g. [[Solomon R. Guggenheim Museum|Guggenheim]], [[Whitney Museum|Whitney]], etc.). There are many cities with many famous art museums (indeed, almost all major cities have many famous art museums). Picking these two for NY is no more rational (to my mind) than distinguishing between the [[Louvre]] and the [[Centre Pompidou]] in Paris, or the [[Tate]] and the [[V&A]] in London. To my eye, it looks superfluous. -- [[User:Cl3phact0|Cl3phact0]] ([[User talk:Cl3phact0|talk]]) 16:06, 17 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::{{ping|Cl3phact0}} Guggenheim and Whitney are distinctive names. Museum of Modern Art is very generic and Metropolitan Museum of Art is rather generic in a metropolis, but I'm not interfering if you remove the Metropolitan hatnote. I don't know about editors of the article. It was added in 2023.[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Museum_of_Modern_Art&diff=prev&oldid=1160546898] [[User:PrimeHunter|PrimeHunter]] ([[User talk:PrimeHunter|talk]]) 18:32, 17 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::Thank you. I don't wish to waste your time or go further down a rabbit hole. If the preferred style is more hatnotes, then so be it. It looks a bit bloated (and is therefore distracting to me), but I've just got the one pair of eyes. "Where no counsel is, the people fall: but in the multitude of counsellors there is safety" (Proverbs 11:14 KJV). Cheers, [[User:Cl3phact0|Cl3phact0]] ([[User talk:Cl3phact0|talk]]) 18:47, 17 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::There is no real confusion with two very different titles, so I am boldly going to remove the distinguish hatnotes in both [[Museum of Modern Art]] and [[Metropolitan Museum of Art]]. [[User:Clarityfiend|Clarityfiend]] ([[User talk:Clarityfiend|talk]]) 21:20, 17 March 2026 (UTC)