Editing Eurovision Wiki:Fringe theories/Noticeboard (section)

== [[Field propulsion]] ==

[[WP:FRINGE]] mess made up by woo pro-UFO user who just disrupted another UFO related AFD this week which also requires eyes retroactively. 

Hyper emphasizes grift fake claims of free propulsion and made up tech. Last AFD somehow failed. 

Needs urgent eyes, page is a massive hot fire. [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-12997-95|&#126;2026-12997-95]] ([[User talk:&#126;2026-12997-95|talk]]) 21:32, 27 February 2026 (UTC)
:The only way to get "urgent eyes" on this is to tell us what the fuck you are talking about. [[User:Phil Bridger|Phil Bridger]] ([[User talk:Phil Bridger|talk]]) 21:39, 27 February 2026 (UTC)
:You should probably tag the person who your baseless assertions are targeted towards. @[[User:Very Polite Person|Very Polite Person]]. And I don't see how this is fringe at all. [[User:PARAKANYAA|PARAKANYAA]] ([[User talk:PARAKANYAA|talk]]) 00:43, 28 February 2026 (UTC)
::I had an editor forcibly "call me out" on [[WP:ANI]] for editing it and saying I was planning on improving it. I was already well into [[User:Very Polite Person/draft/Field propulsion]] at that point, and more lost edits on my sandbox. My local folders for this are stuffed. I'm easily nearing 1k+ actual edits to it. Fears of spooky "UFO stuff" apparently. Apparently a weird number of skeptics and scientists think modern/cutting edge/in development [[aerospace engineering]]... is bullshit? It's irrational. I have seen this almost exclusively from people in academic career tracks, like folks who worry about citation counts and such. My only theory is that since I have taken shit over this in the past as a "UFO" thing; I'll say it's irrational ignorance.
::This is presumnably OP's hang up, is not and is in no way [[WP:FRINGE]]: [[Field propulsion#Field propulsion based on physical structure of space]]. It's an article about the evolving century-plus history of an entire domain of technology: "move stuff via energy without chemical fuel". It's 100% real, it's up in space as you read this; multiple types! So of course the article will mention at the end the heavy R&D stuff, which is a tiny section of the massive article. It would be a [[WP:DUE]] violation to exclude, and you'd be a buffoon to even call those things fringe today.No mention of aliens either... but yes, that'll be in the future Pop culture section (because the article even flat out says already that it appears in fiction).
::Anyone's welcome to edit and read it. 
::It's (literally) ''not'' rocket science. Rocket science is 1000 years old. It's way fuckin cooler and newer. And in no way [[WP:FRINGE]].  — <span style="font-family:Georgia;font-style:normal">[[User:Very Polite Person|Very Polite Person]] ([[User talk:Very Polite Person|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Very Polite Person|contribs]])</span> 02:01, 28 February 2026 (UTC)
:::A quick perusal of the article and the sources indicate nothing really of FRINGE concerns. Actual engineering published in good reputable journals, examples of the various technologies in actual deployment, the section of the depiction of such in media is well sourced and for those that are fantastical it doesn't portray as being real, and in theorised technologies it seems to give appropriate weight and framing (though this I am much less certain on as this is well within physics which I already don't touch generally as a broad subject). -- [[User:Cdjp1|Cdjp1]] ([[User talk:Cdjp1|talk]]) 16:29, 12 March 2026 (UTC)
:I have no idea what you think I'm doing, but you need to actually keep up with modern science. As in, like things being built right now in factories, plants, hangars, Jet Propulsion Labarotory and foreign equivalents. These "fake" things are in space right now, by the ''thousand''. We launch more each week.
:You're responsible to keep up with what is real or not. What are you, [[Tommaso Caccini]]?  — <span style="font-family:Georgia;font-style:normal">[[User:Very Polite Person|Very Polite Person]] ([[User talk:Very Polite Person|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Very Polite Person|contribs]])</span> 02:04, 28 February 2026 (UTC)
::Less aggression, please. It can be frustrating working on fringe topics, but we need to treat everyone with civility and respect. Especially if they believe in fringe theories.
::There are indeed fringe/pseudoscience methods of space propulsion that purportedly don't require any reaction mass. Examples include [[EmDrive]] and [[Dean Drive]]. But [[Electrodynamic tether]]s and [[Solar sail]]s also exist and are not fringe. I only see the latter in  [[Field propulsion]]. Not Fringe. --[[User:Guy Macon|Guy Macon]] ([[User talk:Guy Macon|talk]]) 03:18, 28 February 2026 (UTC)
:[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia%3AArticles_for_deletion%2FSalvatore_Pais&diff=1340440701&oldid=1340252035 This comment at AfD] isn't "disruptive". Some of VPP's edits to the AfD article are [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Salvatore_Pais&diff=1340259210&oldid=1340259102 clear improvements]. Even adding in the BLP subject's [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?diff=1340424852 flimsy explanation] for why the patents have never been demonstrated seems fine, and even if it seemed bogus, the next step would be to remove it or start a talk page discussion. [[User:Rjjiii|<span style="font-variant:small-caps;">Rjj<sup>iii</sup></span>]] ([[User talk:Rjjiii|talk]]) 02:04, 18 March 2026 (UTC)