Editing Talk:Baseball (section)

== Proposed merge of [[Vintage base ball]] into [[Baseball]] ==

Vintage baseball article short enough to merge in main Baseball article. <span style="font-family: Georgia; background-color:green; padding: 2px 3px 1px 3px;">[[User:Robloxguest3|<span style="color: white">Robloxguest3</span>]] [[User talk:Robloxguest3|<span style="color: white">(talk)</span>]]{{#invoke:Icon|main}}</span> 19:37, 5 March 2026 (UTC)
:That's not really a good enough reason for me to support at this time, if you could expand on the rationale that would help. Rgrds. --[[User:BX|BX]] ([[User talk:BX|talk]]) 20:52, 6 March 2026 (UTC)
::Well, first of all, should it even be a seperate article? Merge to history section, because they are the same thing, except modern baseball has more rules<span style="font-family: Georgia; background-color:green; padding: 2px 3px 1px 3px;">[[User:Robloxguest3|<span style="color: white">Robloxguest3</span>]] [[User talk:Robloxguest3|<span style="color: white">(talk)</span>]]{{#invoke:Icon|main}}</span> 20:54, 6 March 2026 (UTC)
::Specficially, it is redundant, and the topic overlap so much. <span style="font-family: Georgia; background-color:green; padding: 2px 3px 1px 3px;">[[User:Robloxguest3|<span style="color: white">Robloxguest3</span>]] [[User talk:Robloxguest3|<span style="color: white">(talk)</span>]]{{#invoke:Icon|main}}</span> 21:01, 6 March 2026 (UTC)
:::So that would be a valid reason <span style="font-family: Georgia; background-color:green; padding: 2px 3px 1px 3px;">[[User:Robloxguest3|<span style="color: white">Robloxguest3</span>]] [[User talk:Robloxguest3|<span style="color: white">(talk)</span>]]{{#invoke:Icon|main}}</span> 21:02, 6 March 2026 (UTC)
::::No, it seems appropriate as a stand-alone article.  I see no reason to merge it at this time, so '''Oppose''' merge. Rgrds. --[[User:BX|BX]] ([[User talk:BX|talk]]) 22:04, 9 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::How does it seem appropriate? <span style="font-family: Georgia; background-color:green; padding: 2px 3px 1px 3px;">[[User:Robloxguest3|<span style="color: white">Robloxguest3</span>]] [[User talk:Robloxguest3|<span style="color: white">(talk)</span>]]{{#invoke:Icon|main}}</span> 14:55, 10 March 2026 (UTC)
:'''Merge selectively''' - The current article might not meet GNG and has been unsourced for a long time it seems. Seems to have quite a bit of OR. I would merge the Women playing baseball section to the history of baseball seeing as that's the best sourced section and cut most of the rest. [[User:ScrubbedFalcon|ScrubbedFalcon]] ([[User talk:ScrubbedFalcon|talk]]) 13:14, 11 March 2026 (UTC)
::'''Oppose''' - Vintage base ball as it exists today (after all, in baseball history, it wasn't "vintage") is a unique subject and sufficiently distinguished to warrant having its own article. [[User:Jeff in CA|Jeff in CA]] ([[User talk:Jeff in CA|talk]]) 23:16, 11 March 2026 (UTC)
:::Well<u> now</u> it is considered vintage. Even so, if you merged the article into the history section, you could still say:
::: "A variation of baseball played today is based on old baseball rules, called Vintage base ball."
:::Maybe you can add a sub-section to incorporate the article into history.
:::Merge somewhere in beginning of the history section.
:::<span style="font-family: Georgia; background-color:green; padding: 2px 3px 1px 3px;">[[User:Robloxguest3|<span style="color: white">Robloxguest3</span>]] [[User talk:Robloxguest3|<span style="color: white">(talk)</span>]]{{#invoke:Icon|main}}</span> 15:05, 12 March 2026 (UTC)
::::<s>I agree with Jeff in CA</s>, however as mentioned above it is poorly sourced etc.  IMO, the issue should be meeting GNG. Time permitting, I can work on the article a bit. Rgrds. --[[User:BX|BX]] ([[User talk:BX|talk]]) 15:28, 12 March 2026 (UTC)
::::I'm not really seeing much RS out there, but I only looked online. It just seems like a bunch of amateur leagues are playing by vintage rules; these leagues don't meet GNG so I don't see how this style of play is notable. At least [[Rounders]] is a defined game -- Vintage is just playing regular baseball with time frozen, which is best covered in the [[Origins of baseball]] article. Now I'm leaning to AfD the whole article. Rgrds. --[[User:BX|BX]] ([[User talk:BX|talk]]) 17:55, 15 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::I'm not sure that AfD is the best for this, I think merging is a good alternative to deletion here, but it seems like you support the merge for notability reasons? [[User:ScrubbedFalcon|ScrubbedFalcon]] ([[User talk:ScrubbedFalcon|talk]]) 00:20, 17 March 2026 (UTC)
::I do have one concern about the merge, Baseball is currently a FA so we would need to be careful to only merge content that meets FA requirements, for that reason Origins of baseball might be a better merge target as mentioned by @[[User:BX|BX]]. [[User:ScrubbedFalcon|ScrubbedFalcon]] ([[User talk:ScrubbedFalcon|talk]]) 12:01, 18 March 2026 (UTC)
:::The "Women playing base ball" section seems haphazardly dropped into the Vintage article, it doesn't seem to flow within the context of the article.  This section may best be moved to [[Women in baseball]].  I do not believe anything should be merged into this article as proposed. BTW, I have prod a similar article [[Vintage Base Ball Association]] as non-notable.  Rgrds. --[[User:BX|BX]] ([[User talk:BX|talk]]) 21:20, 18 March 2026 (UTC)