Editing Talk:Cognitive warfare (section)

== On NPOV/OR ==

Some of this article seems to stray into non-NPOV and OR. 

For example: the section '''Media literacy and civic engagement''' seems to seek to recommend a course of action, has some tone issues and sounds prescriptive. 

How can we rework this section to portray info as ‘responses to cognitive warfare’ in a more neutral way?

Certain stray lines also veer into NNPOV as well, should they just be yoinked as a matter of course? [[User:Maryshelagh|maryshelagh]] ([[User talk:Maryshelagh|talk]]) 07:44, 25 July 2025 (UTC)

::We can start by removing any OR and the non-NPOV sections to begin with. The article was in a decent state before whatever class project came in and frankly made a mess of it; now we have a bizarre hybrid of two completely different stylized articles, one globally and one essentially solely about China. I'd prefer not to revert back to a version prior to the class submissions unless we have to, but maybe the right approach would be to do that and then break down their changes section by section? [[WP:CONSENSUS]] applies to classroom editors too -- they can't simply disruptively rewrite an article without discussion. [[User:Swatjester|<span style="color:red">⇒</span>]][[User_talk:Swatjester|<span style="font-family:Serif"><span style="color:black">SWAT</span><span style="color:goldenrod">Jester</span></span>]] <small><sup>Shoot Blues, Tell VileRat!</sup></small> 17:12, 25 July 2025 (UTC)
:::I'm comfortable with the idea of a big revert, and then figuring out what needs to come back in. The huge focus on China, while interesting, really gives the overall impression that they are the only nation-state that engages in cognitive warfare in a sustained way, which I think isn't accurate. should the original users be pinged to see if they will improve their sections? This sort of thing isn't quite in my wheelhouse, in the sense that up until now I've done mostly grammar/spelling edits here on wiki and I'm now starting to push myself to learn how to do more.  [[User:Maryshelagh|maryshelagh]] ([[User talk:Maryshelagh|talk]]) 16:59, 26 July 2025 (UTC)
::::I'd say if you're interested in devoting the time to it and especially if it's a learning area you want to engage with, [[WP:BOLD|be bold]] and give it a shot. [[User:Swatjester|<span style="color:red">⇒</span>]][[User_talk:Swatjester|<span style="font-family:Serif"><span style="color:black">SWAT</span><span style="color:goldenrod">Jester</span></span>]] <small><sup>Shoot Blues, Tell VileRat!</sup></small> 19:24, 26 July 2025 (UTC)
:::::🫡 thanks for your input! I'll try and pick away at it. If you have a moment, would you mind replying to my other topic on this talk page, about references, to give me some clarity on that while I make my attempts? Cheers! [[User:Maryshelagh|maryshelagh]] ([[User talk:Maryshelagh|talk]]) 07:46, 27 July 2025 (UTC)

*I think one major issue (or at least one that I am encountering while trying to read through and copy edit), is that a lot of the sources, and a lot of the article's perspective, is/are Taiwanese. Most (more than half as of this writing) of the sources are in Chinese and are referring (at least mainly) to China's cognitive warfare on Taiwanese citizens, and also on Chinese and perhaps also Hong Kong citizens. Those articles and concepts are hard to translate into a general-purpose article on cognitive warfare. So there's a lot of rambling, a lot of repetition, and a lot of vague claims and "suggestions" that may derive from [[WP:OR]], [[WP:SYNTH]], [[WP:NPOV]], and [[WP:ESSAY]]. I don't know what the solution is, and I haven't finished my copyedit yet (because the article is so unbelievably long), but I thought I'd chime in. [[User:RipplingRiver|RipplingRiver]] ([[User talk:RipplingRiver|talk]]) 03:43, 25 September 2025 (UTC)
*:Yes, definitely. It very much feels like an article within an article with the amount of focus on Taiwan/CCP.  Thanks for your work/copy edits, hopefully we eventually wrangle this beast of a page!! [[User:Maryshelagh|maryshelagh]] ([[User talk:Maryshelagh|talk]]) 02:55, 26 September 2025 (UTC)