Editing Talk:USS Liberty incident (section)

===Discussion (USS Liberty incident)===
*The first "incident" that occurred to me for comparison was [[Gulf of Tonkin incident]], which is also titled "incident". Other articles with "incident" in the title [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?search=intitle%3Aincident&title=Special%3ASearch here] [[User:Placeholderer|Placeholderer]] ([[User talk:Placeholderer|talk]]) 18:03, 2 December 2025 (UTC)
*[https://books.google.com/ngrams/graph?content=USS+Liberty+incident%2CUSS+Liberty+attack%2Cattack+on+the+USS+Liberty&year_start=1800&year_end=2022&corpus=en&smoothing=3 Google NGram] suggests that "Attack on the USS Liberty" would be the most common use and "USS Liberty incident" has seen steadily reduced use since 2014. 
: The "Gulf of Tonkin incident" is called that way because it's not clear whether or not ships were actually attacked on the other hand it's quite clear that the USS Liberty was attacked. Just whether it was done accidently or on purpose is a question where different sources disagree. [[User:ChristianKl|<span style='color: #0000EE;'>'''ChristianKl'''</span>]] ❪[[User talk:ChristianKl|✉]]❫ 18:16, 2 December 2025 (UTC)

*"Incident" here appears to be in the sense of "[[international incident]]", i.e. a dispute between states.  And from a non-exaustive comparison of [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?search=intitle%3Aincident&title=Special%3ASearch&ns0=1 articles with "incident" in the title] to [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?search=intitle%3Aattack&title=Special%3ASearch&ns0=1 articles with "attack" in the title], similar articles tend to use "incident" when it took place between states or was precipitated by a state actor, and "attack" when it was by a non-state actor.  That convention is not uniform, but would be in line with the meaning of an "international incident". [[User:Carleas|Carleas]] ([[User talk:Carleas|talk]]) 18:29, 2 December 2025 (UTC)
*:{{TQ|similar articles tend to use "incident" when it took place between states or was precipitated by a state actor, and "attack" when it was by a non-state actor}} Errr would that be like the [[Attack on Pearl Harbor|Pearl Harbor incident]]? Numerous other articles use the "Attack on … " format for events during wars. [[User:Pincrete|Pincrete]] ([[User talk:Pincrete|talk]]) 08:18, 9 December 2025 (UTC)
*::{{tq|Numerous other articles use the "Attack on … " format for events during wars}} - and [https://books.google.com/ngrams/graph?content=USS+Liberty+attack%2CUSS+Liberty+incident%2Cattack+on+the+USS+Liberty&year_start=1960&year_end=2022&corpus=en&smoothing=4&case_insensitive=false this ngram confirms] "Attack on the USS Liberty" as far more common than the other possibilities. [[User:Butlerblog|<span style="font-weight:bold;"><span style="color:#333366;">Butler</span><span style="font-style:italic;color:#D2B48C;">Blog</span></span>]] ([[User talk:Butlerblog|talk]]) 12:46, 16 December 2025 (UTC)
*[[Israeli Navy#USS Liberty incident]] says {{tq|The USS ''Liberty'' incident was an attack...}}. Shrug. ☆ <span style="white-space:nowrap;font-family: Papyrus">[[User:Bri|Bri]]</span> ([[User talk:Bri|talk]]) 18:34, 2 December 2025 (UTC)
*:@[[User:NotJamestack|NotJamestack]] why did you start this RFC if you agree with the existing title? ←&nbsp;[[User:Metallurgist|Metallurgist]] ([[User talk:Metallurgist|talk]]) 22:43, 15 December 2025 (UTC)
*::I already knew that the title could be controversial, and although I agree with it, not everyone has the same opinion. Because of this, I decided to open up this RfC. [[User:NotJamestack|<span style="color:#00FF00;">'''Not'''</span><span style="color:#8F00FF;">'''Jamestack'''</span>]] ([[User talk:NotJamestack|✉️]]|[[Special:Contributions/NotJamestack|📝]]) 23:34, 15 December 2025 (UTC)
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