Editing Eurovision Wiki:WikiProject Articles for creation/Help desk (section)

== 23:58, 13 March 2026 review of submission by Leswinters ==
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They are placed on Sirius XM on rotation. You can look them up on the Sirius website. This qualifies as notable per your number 11 in the listing of what makes someone notable enough for an article. Therefore, I have satisfied the reason of denial so, why isn’t the Eddie 9V article published?  [[User:Leswinters|Leswinters]] ([[User talk:Leswinters|talk]]) 23:58, 13 March 2026 (UTC)

:{{tq|This qualifies as notable per your number 11 in the listing of what makes someone notable enough for an article.}} Which 'listing' are you referring to? [[User:Athanelar|Athanelar]] ([[User talk:Athanelar|talk]]) 00:52, 14 March 2026 (UTC)
::The listing for what makes a notable musician  [[User:Leswinters|Leswinters]] ([[User talk:Leswinters|talk]]) 01:28, 14 March 2026 (UTC)
::[[Wikipedia:Notability (music)]] [[User:Leswinters|Leswinters]] ([[User talk:Leswinters|talk]]) 01:29, 14 March 2026 (UTC)
:::And which of the references in your draft prove that they are on Sirius XM's rotation? [[User:Athanelar|Athanelar]] ([[User talk:Athanelar|talk]]) 01:31, 14 March 2026 (UTC)
::::They release their playlists but they do not release articles about what they play for anyone. I can send you screenshots or links to the playlist pages but this would not be a source cited for an article as NO national radio station does that. So, how am I supposed to do that? The notability for a musician page does not say this needs to be cited, it just needs to be to be considered notable. I assume that means the people reviewing need to actually do due diligence and look these things up instead of denying for a reason that doesn’t exist. https://xmplaylist.com/station/thespectrum/track/NVRD-PBTP#google_vignette
::::https://xmplaylist.com/station/thespectrum/track/CFSV-AI78
::::https://xmplaylist.com/station/bbkingsbluesville/track/ZTQ5-9YMS [[User:Leswinters|Leswinters]] ([[User talk:Leswinters|talk]]) 01:48, 14 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::It quite plainly says at the top of [[WP:Notability (music)]] that {{tq|To meet Wikipedia's standards for verifiability and notability, the article in question must actually document that the criterion is true.}} If your claim is that the band is notable because they meet criterion 11, you have to demonstrate within the article that they meet criterion 11; i.e., that they are in Sirius XM's rotation. The links to xmplaylist seem to merely show that those songs have been recently played, and not necessarily that they're in a regular rotation. I could be wrong, of course, but if that's what you're hinging the claim to notability on then you might want to find something clearer.
:::::It should also be noted that {{tq|meeting any of these criteria does not mean that an article must be kept.}} Or included, in this case. Even if notability can be presumed based on NMUSIC 11, your article doesn't contain much else of substance about the band. There's no critical analysis of their work or their style, just some brief discussion about their history and then a bare discography list (which appears to be AI generated; in no small part because the AI seems to have thought that Eddie 9V is a person, referring to them as "he" and saying that the discography "reflects [their] evolution as an artist") with no source for that analysis or any further elaboration. If this band is notable, then somebody must have written something about them other than "They exist and here's how they met." It's your responsibility as the article creator to find those sources and include the information they contain to actually create a substantial article.
:::::If you're now thinking "well, shit, that sounds like a lot of work.", you'd be correct. Writing an article is one of the most complex tasks on Wikipedia, and you've chosen to undertake it as a brand new editor with no other experience under your belt; which inevitably leads to you running into these kinds of issues because you don't have a robust understanding of our requirements. [[User:Athanelar|Athanelar]] ([[User talk:Athanelar|talk]]) 02:06, 14 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::I included an article from Rolling Stone! They don’t write articles about people that aren’t notable. That is in the citations. 
::::::Are you kidding me? Do you know what I’ve accomplished in my life. This does not seem like a lot of work now. I don’t appreciate you speaking to me this way and will report you for abuse.  [[User:Leswinters|Leswinters]] ([[User talk:Leswinters|talk]]) 02:16, 14 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::Yes, I can see the Rolling Stones article in your references. However, first of all it's a review of one of their songs and not [[WP:SIGCOV|significant coverage]] of the band themselves, and secondly the only information you've actually cited to this source in your draft are the words "Brothers Lane and Brooks Kelly". [[User:Athanelar|Athanelar]] ([[User talk:Athanelar|talk]]) 02:21, 14 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::I was told previously to add in references even though I didn’t cite them. I argued against that as I was never able to publish doing that and they said to do it to establish notoriety.  [[User:Leswinters|Leswinters]] ([[User talk:Leswinters|talk]]) 02:52, 14 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::Saying "[[WP:DONTYOUKNOWWHOIAM|don't you know who I am?]]" is not something that generally produces the results you think it will on Wikipedia. We don't care about what you've accomplished in your life, all that matters is what you are doing on Wikipedia. - [[User:The Bushranger|The Bushranger]] <sub>[[User talk:The Bushranger|<span style="color: maroon;">One ping only</span>]]</sub> 04:45, 14 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::My attorney said he can get involved if they are only posting articles by people that work more for them. That’s discrimination.  [[User:Leswinters|Leswinters]] ([[User talk:Leswinters|talk]]) 02:19, 14 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::You should know that [[WP:Legal threats|legal threats]] are grounds for your account to be immediately blocked; you should rescind this immediately. [[User:Athanelar|Athanelar]] ([[User talk:Athanelar|talk]]) 02:23, 14 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::You cussed at me and wrote a very aggressively harassing response. I am pretty sure you cat do that either.  [[User:Leswinters|Leswinters]] ([[User talk:Leswinters|talk]]) 02:41, 14 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::*cant  [[User:Leswinters|Leswinters]] ([[User talk:Leswinters|talk]]) 02:41, 14 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::@[[User:Leswinters|Leswinters]], Athanelar did not "cuss" at you, and their response was perfectly civil. They did use the word 'shit', most likely to indicate surprise in the response they're imagining from the reader; they were not using it to denigrate either you or your writing.
:::::::::Can you please clarify what you mean by {{tq|if they are only posting articles by people that work more for them}}? [[User:Meadowlark|Meadowlark]] ([[User talk:Meadowlark|talk]]) 03:31, 14 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::Please retract your legal threat, there is already a [[Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents|AN/I]] discussion against you. [[User:EditorShane3456|shane]] [[User talk: EditorShane3456|(talk to me if you want!)]] 04:01, 14 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::There was absolutely no AI used for this. I am old school, I don’t use AI for anything.  [[User:Leswinters|Leswinters]] ([[User talk:Leswinters|talk]]) 02:40, 14 March 2026 (UTC)