Editing Eurovision Wiki talk:WikiProject Articles for creation (section)

== Rights for the AFC/R script ==

It looks as if any user may install this script and ''run it'' without meeting the threshold to be a reviewer.  This is the redirects and categories helper script.

Is this intentional?

@[[User:Eejit43|Eejit43]] If this is a bug, and it is not intended that non reviewer qualified folk may run it, I think it's within your power to solve. [[Special:Contributions/ArnavSharma602]] shows one instance of this. 🇵🇸&zwj;🇺🇦&nbsp;[[User:Timtrent|<span style="color:#800">Fiddle</span><sup><small>Timtrent</small></sup>]]&nbsp;[[User talk:Timtrent|<span style="color:#070">Faddle</span><sup><small>Talk&nbsp;to&nbsp;me</small></sup>]]&nbsp;🇺🇦&zwj;🇵🇸 16:16, 11 February 2026 (UTC)

:@[[User:Timtrent|Timtrent]] I intentionally did not implement a threshold when creating this script, one reason being because [[User:Enterprisey/AFCRHS.js|Enterprisey's old AFCRHS script]] did not (and does not) have a check to see if the user is on the checkpage. Additionally, I recall seeing non-AfC reviewers accepting redirect and category requests back in the day.
:It is also never specifically mentioned anywhere that one must be an AfC reviewer (or have the NPR right) to accept these requests. That may be implied, due to it being under AfC, but it is also true that accepting redirects is definitely not on the scale of accepting new articles. If it is the case that you need the same level of permissions, we should outline that in far better detail, and I would be happy to implement that check. ~ [[User:Eejit43|<b style="color: #00733f">Eejit43</b>]] ([[User talk:Eejit43|<span style="color: #00733f">talk</span>]]) 19:09, 11 February 2026 (UTC)
::I went through and checked all of the users who have installed afcrc-helper. You can see the full data in [[Special:Permalink/1337844174|my sandbox]], but out of 102 known installers, only 60 would actually be eligible (i.e. are on the checkpage, have NPR, or are a sysop). Most of the 42 without any of the above permissions have still been trusted with other permissions (rollbacker, page mover, etc.) though, but some do indeed have no higher permission levels, not even EC. ~ [[User:Eejit43|<b style="color: #00733f">Eejit43</b>]] ([[User talk:Eejit43|<span style="color: #00733f">talk</span>]]) 19:46, 11 February 2026 (UTC)
:::@[[User:Eejit43|Eejit43]] this makes sense. I did not know that the original AFCH script did not make such a check. I was 'alerted' today by a very new editor using the script to accept redirects.
:::This means we need a more general question: "Should there be restritcions?" though I am not sure who should answer it! 🇵🇸&zwj;🇺🇦&nbsp;[[User:Timtrent|<span style="color:#800">Fiddle</span><sup><small>Timtrent</small></sup>]]&nbsp;[[User talk:Timtrent|<span style="color:#070">Faddle</span><sup><small>Talk&nbsp;to&nbsp;me</small></sup>]]&nbsp;🇺🇦&zwj;🇵🇸 22:41, 11 February 2026 (UTC)
::::Agreed. I think there definitely should be some form of restriction, whether that be requiring AfC/NPR or even just EC. I also don't know the best way to get that question answered, I hope someone else watching this talk page can provide a bit more insight here. ~ [[User:Eejit43|<b style="color: #00733f">Eejit43</b>]] ([[User talk:Eejit43|<span style="color: #00733f">talk</span>]]) 23:43, 11 February 2026 (UTC)
:::::I would lean towards having the same requirements for processing AFC redirects as for processing AFC drafts. That is, unless there are folks active there that don't meet the criteria and are doing good work. Do any such folks come to mind?
:::::Simply checking old data may not yield accurate results, since AFC/NPR folks can get removed for inactivity, making it look like someone who wasn't an AFC/NPR was doing AFC redirect accepts/declines, when in fact they were an AFC/NPR at the time. –[[User:Novem Linguae|<span style="color:blue">'''Novem Linguae'''</span>]] <small>([[User talk:Novem Linguae|talk]])</small> 01:04, 12 February 2026 (UTC)
::::::Just looking through some very recent edits, I see contributions from [[User:Nil NZ|Nil NZ]] and [[User:S0091|S0091]] (who do not fit the criteria) to [[WP:AFC/R]]. I imagine there are other users as well, those are two I just happened to spot immediately. While we could try to get editors like them to become AfC reviewers or NPRs. I think it would make sense to have a lower criteria for handling redirects and categories (don't forget about [[WP:AFC/C]] too!). ~ [[User:Eejit43|<b style="color: #00733f">Eejit43</b>]] ([[User talk:Eejit43|<span style="color: #00733f">talk</span>]]) 04:09, 12 February 2026 (UTC)
:::::::Both S0091 and I are AFC reviewers ([[Wikipedia:WikiProject Articles for creation/Participants#Active_reviewers|listed here]]), we're just not NPRs. [[User:Nil NZ|<span style="font-family:Cooper Black;font-size:120%;color:#A7D335"><b>Nil</b></span>]][[User talk:Nil NZ|🥝]] 04:13, 12 February 2026 (UTC)
::::::::{{facepalm|}} Whoops, sorry about that. Thanks for mentioning it. You'd have thought I'd remember after literally writing down both of your names a few hours ago in my sandbox. In that case, Novem, I don't know how many ''currently'' active editors there are, but I still see a possible argument against having such high restrictions on AfC redirect/category acceptance. ~ [[User:Eejit43|<b style="color: #00733f">Eejit43</b>]] ([[User talk:Eejit43|<span style="color: #00733f">talk</span>]]) 04:20, 12 February 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::This is like getting busted for driving without a license...but look officer I have a permit! :) [[User:S0091|S0091]] ([[User talk:S0091|talk]]) 15:05, 12 February 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::I wasn't reviewing without permission, [[Sovereign_citizen_movement#Freedom_of_movement|rather exercising my right to click buttons on my own screen]]. [[User:Bobby Cohn|Bobby Cohn]]&nbsp;🍁 ([[User talk:Bobby Cohn|talk]]) 15:55, 12 February 2026 (UTC)
::::::I'm leaning a bit in the other direction; the whole point of restricting access to the review tool is to make sure those doing the reviewing understand the notability, reliability, and verifiability criteria. Redirects have a ''much'' less stringent set of requirements for creation, which correlates in my mind to therefore needing a less stringent set of rules for who can create them (based on requests). [[User:Primefac|Primefac]] ([[User talk:Primefac|talk]]) 12:25, 12 February 2026 (UTC)
:::::::@[[User:Primefac|Primefac]] Understanding your point, perhaps a simple restriction to EC editors re redirects and categories, thus seeking to ensure understanding. AFCH is necessarily requiring more knowledge. 🇵🇸&zwj;🇺🇦&nbsp;[[User:Timtrent|<span style="color:#800">Fiddle</span><sup><small>Timtrent</small></sup>]]&nbsp;[[User talk:Timtrent|<span style="color:#070">Faddle</span><sup><small>Talk&nbsp;to&nbsp;me</small></sup>]]&nbsp;🇺🇦&zwj;🇵🇸 12:31, 12 February 2026 (UTC)
::::::::I think EC is sufficient.  I am pretty sure I have seen folks who were not AFC/NPR reviewing redirects/cats but they were probably EC.  [[User:S0091|S0091]] ([[User talk:S0091|talk]]) 15:02, 12 February 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::Perhaps a silently introduced pilot scheme, but with a notice eon the script page to the AFC/R (etc) helper script is an appropriate move. We c a then use the results of the pilot to create consensus. Results might be the number of talk page questions expressing negative thoughts/ 🇵🇸&zwj;🇺🇦&nbsp;[[User:Timtrent|<span style="color:#800">Fiddle</span><sup><small>Timtrent</small></sup>]]&nbsp;[[User talk:Timtrent|<span style="color:#070">Faddle</span><sup><small>Talk&nbsp;to&nbsp;me</small></sup>]]&nbsp;🇺🇦&zwj;🇵🇸 05:10, 14 February 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::I'm fine with implementing an EC requirement, though I think we should clarify whether or not we would implement that for script handling only, or if it would apply to manual request handling as well. That wouldn't be technologically possible to enforce of course, but it is something to consider. ~ [[User:Eejit43|<b style="color: #00733f">Eejit43</b>]] ([[User talk:Eejit43|<span style="color: #00733f">talk</span>]]) 05:47, 22 February 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::I suggest script handling only, at least for the present.  I have no issue with lower rights level editors doing it manually because they are entitled to so do, but the script allows decisions even less perfect than my own to be made in bulk, so EC as a threshold sees wholly appropriate. 🇵🇸&zwj;🇺🇦&nbsp;[[User:Timtrent|<span style="color:#800">Fiddle</span><sup><small>Timtrent</small></sup>]]&nbsp;[[User talk:Timtrent|<span style="color:#070">Faddle</span><sup><small>Talk&nbsp;to&nbsp;me</small></sup>]]&nbsp;🇺🇦&zwj;🇵🇸 09:37, 22 February 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::{{done}} I've implemented the EC (or sysop) requirement for both of my scripts, [[User:Eejit43/scripts/afcrc-helper|afcrc-helper]] and [[User:Eejit43/scripts/AFCRHS|AFCRHS]] (a fork of Enterprisey's script), pointing them to this talk page with any concerns.
::::::::::::I see Enterprisey is on an indefinite Wikibreak, but their [[User:Enterprisey/AFCRHS|their AFCRHS script]] will need updated as well. It is only installed by three users from what I can see (two of which are blocked and one who is an admin), but if we leave it without permission requirements it could allow non-EC editors to avoid this requirement. Unless anyone seeing this wants to handle it, I can make an edit request later down the line. If someone here does want to handle it, feel free to use the simple logic I implemented in [https://github.com/Eejit43/wikipedia-scripts/commit/e6a6f1d904c27fb5db16cb7e5516ae09f21dac9a#diff-b08f758a7e75ee9fe5c9750661f3a7c9da928cc1cd3d5e9e6203e3bbb5199b30 this commit]. ~ [[User:Eejit43|<b style="color: #00733f">Eejit43</b>]] ([[User talk:Eejit43|<span style="color: #00733f">talk</span>]]) 22:07, 22 February 2026 (UTC)