Editing Talk:Kiddush (section)

== English translation of Friday night kiddush ==

i've made a couple of changes to this.  firstly, i've changed to 'Permit me, my friends' as that matches the hebrew text.  the previous english version is actually more normal/common but it didn't match the hebrew version on this page.

secondly, i've changed to 'a day pre-eminent among sacred occasions which commemorates the Exodus...' as the original translation was sufficiently poor, in my view, that it had the wrong meaning.  it also didn't make much sense.  <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/62.25.109.198|62.25.109.198]] ([[User talk:62.25.109.198|talk]]) 15:24, 20 April 2010 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

well i changed it back. the hebrew version is supposed to be   סברי מרנו רבנן ורבותיwhich matches the translation
secondly the translation had the right meaning. כי יום זה תחילה למקראה קודש, זכר ליציאת מצרים doesn't mean that it is a commemoration to the exodus rather that it preceded the even the sacred occasion of the departure from egypt.--[[User:Marbehtorah-marbehchaim|Marbehtorah-marbehchaim]] ([[User talk:Marbehtorah-marbehchaim|talk]]) 16:46, 18 May 2010 (UTC)

i really can't agree with the transalation 'a day preceding even those sacred occasions commemorating the Exodus from Egypt'.  i have looked in the one siddur i have handy and several places online and they all indicate that a better translation would be something like 'the first amongst holy festivals, a remembrance of coming out of egypt'.

the chabad website (http://www.chabad.org/library/article_cdo/aid/95896/jewish/Kiddush-Friday-Night-Meal.htm) renders it as 'It is the first of the holy festivals, commemorating the exodus from Egypt.'

the orthodox union website (http://www.ou.org/chagim/shabbat/remember.htm) has: 'For Shabbat is the first of the holidays, which are remembrances of the Exodus from Egypt.'

the aish site (http://image.aish.com/misc/kiddush-pm.pdf) has: 'It is the foremost day of the holy festivals marking the Exodus from Egypt.'

jewish heritage online magazine (http://jhom.com/topics/wine/kiddush.htm) has: 'For the Sabbath is the first of the holidays, a remembrance of the Exodus from Egypt.'

since i have consulted such excellent sources, i trust that i have not been presumptuous in amending the translation again.  if anyone wishes to amend this further, would they please demonstrate support for their position by citing a reliable corroborative source.  <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/62.25.109.198|62.25.109.198]] ([[User talk:62.25.109.198|talk]]) 16:18, 7 June 2010 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->