Editing Talk:Socialist Party (Ireland) (section)

== Very strange ==

Why is this article in the ideology section claiming "democratic socialism" is the primarily political identity of this party? This simply isn't true. It is an explicitly Trotskyist party, it is the Militant tendency in Ireland. It isn't like this is a broad non-descript social democratic party with a few Trotskyists entryists.... it is the Trotskyist entryists after they got kicked out of Labour. [[User:Claíomh Solais|Claíomh Solais]] ([[User talk:Claíomh Solais|talk]]) 00:00, 18 January 2017 (UTC)

:Agreed. Changed to "Socialism". [[User:Bastun|<span style="font-family:Verdana, sans-serif">Bastun</span>]]<sup>[[User_talk:Bastun|Ėġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ!]]</sup> 09:18, 18 January 2017 (UTC)

::Could we get some references for using "Trotskyist"? Is it a self-description off their website? [http://socialistparty.ie/about-us/ I can't find it]. [[User:HighKing|<span style="font-family:Courier; color:darkgreen;"><b>-- HighKing</b></span>]]<sup>[[User_talk:HighKing|<span style="font-family:Courier; color:darkblue;">++  </span>]]</sup> 19:47, 20 July 2017 (UTC)

:::Hi HighKing. I'll have a look around for some reliable external sources to see if I can find any that support this claim. However, it should be noted that self claims by political parties in regard to their ideologies should not normally be regarded as good enough evidence to go by on their own, unless at least one reliable, external source backs up their claims. I think that Trotskyism is included in the list because of the party's formation from Militant Labour, which was a Trotskyist organisation. However that is basically a [[WP:SYNTHESIS]] argument, and therefore should not stand. If there are no reliable sources backing up an ideology claim, please feel free to remove it. Thank you for bringing up this matter. [[User:Helper201|Helper201]] ([[User talk:Helper201|talk]]) 20:25, 21 July 2017 (UTC)

::::I've added a supporting ideology for the claim of the party being Trotskyist. [[User:Helper201|Helper201]] ([[User talk:Helper201|talk]]) 20:36, 21 July 2017 (UTC)

:::::{{u|Helper201}} Is there a better reference available than a single Opinion piece article in the Irish Times? Hardly enough on its own to merit this tag surely? [[User:HighKing|<span style="font-family:Courier; color:darkgreen;"><b>-- HighKing</b></span>]]<sup>[[User_talk:HighKing|<span style="font-family:Courier; color:darkblue;">++  </span>]]</sup> 20:47, 23 July 2017 (UTC)

::::::That is all I've been able to find in regards to supporting the claim of the party being Trotskyist. What do you think constitutes this as an opinion piece (genuine question, not trying to be sarcastic)? Is it because the authors name is in the title? If that does genuinely mean its an opinion piece it doesn't have any validity and I'll remove it. [[User:Helper201|Helper201]] ([[User talk:Helper201|talk]]) 07:10, 24 July 2017 (UTC)
::::::::Well, because the item is under the "Opinion" section of the website from the URL you added to the article. And its in the URL too.
:::::::I think I've found a better source. I don't have time right now but I shall add it next time I'm on Wikipedia. [[User:Helper201|Helper201]] ([[User talk:Helper201|talk]]) 08:57, 24 July 2017 (UTC)
::::::::OK, perhaps I'll keep checking back here, no immediate hurry although I'm having a related discussion on my Talk page with [[User:Laurel Lodged]] about adding a Trotskyist" label to [[Ruth Coppinger]]'s article lede... [[User:HighKing|<span style="font-family:Courier; color:darkgreen;"><b>-- HighKing</b></span>]]<sup>[[User_talk:HighKing|<span style="font-family:Courier; color:darkblue;">++  </span>]]</sup> 17:32, 24 July 2017 (UTC)
:::::::::Have a look at [http://www.socialistworld.net/index.php/theory-analysis/theory] - fully supported by the director of CWI. Several books on Trotsky. [[User:Laurel Lodged|Laurel Lodged]] ([[User talk:Laurel Lodged|talk]]) 07:58, 25 July 2017 (UTC)
::::::::::What am I looking at? Just seems to be a webpage on socialist theory with links to lots of articles that includes stuff on Trotsky on a "Socialist World" website. How does that connect back to the Socialist party in Ireland? [[User:HighKing|<span style="font-family:Courier; color:darkgreen;"><b>-- HighKing</b></span>]]<sup>[[User_talk:HighKing|<span style="font-family:Courier; color:darkblue;">++  </span>]]</sup> 17:26, 31 July 2017 (UTC)