Editing Eurovision Wiki:Village pump (WMF) (section)

== [https://wikiworkersunited.org/ Wiki Workers United] ==

this claims to be {{tq|a global solidarity union for the staff of the Wikimedia Foundation.}}

just checking, is this official and recognized by the wmf? [[user:ltbdl|ltbdl]] ([[user talk:ltbdl|select]]) 05:45, 14 March 2026 (UTC)

:You shouldn't ask the bosses whether the worker's union is legitimate. They have a COI. In this case, do any other unions recognize them? Are they covered in any reliable sources? It looks like the answer is no. Anyone can create a website and pretend to be a union and until I see evidence to the contrary that's what I am going to assume here.

:Go to https://mathstodon.xyz/@TobyBartels and search on "wiki workers". --[[User:Guy Macon|Guy Macon]] ([[User talk:Guy Macon|talk]]) 06:42, 14 March 2026 (UTC)
:I likewise don't see any indication that this is legit. For example, where is the privacy policy? And why does this have a section titled "Community"? Surely the community are the employers? [[User:Phil Bridger|Phil Bridger]] ([[User talk:Phil Bridger|talk]]) 13:07, 14 March 2026 (UTC)
:: {{ping|ltbdl|Guy Macon|Phil Bridger}} I am a former colleague of the organizers of the Union and everything I write is my personal observations, not official communication for my former colleagues. 
::I can  assuage your doubts. This is in fact legitimate, has wide support across individual contributors verticals of the organization and in many of the countries where staff exist (I can't talk about specifics because they do not yet have formal recognition) and WMF leadership knows that they are forming a Union but thus far has chosen not to proactively recognize it.  This means that under US Union law (which would cover the largest portion of staff) they need to complete a [[National Labor Relations Board|National Labor Relations Board]]  recognition process. Because of this process, they cannot publicly engage as individual users or answer specific questions because [[Labor unions in the United States|unionizing in the US can be complicated]]. The website is being updated to describe their positions, stage in the recognition process and needs, and can be considered "Union" communications. [[User:Sadads|Sadads]] ([[User talk:Sadads|talk]]) 15:07, 14 March 2026 (UTC)
:::No need to ping me. When I post something I look for replies.
:::Is there anything you can do to make the WWU website reflect the above? In particular, the website should indicate that the WWU has or has not filed an RC petition as defined at [https://www.nlrb.gov/resources/nlrb-process NLRB Representation Election Process] and whether they plan to do so in the future. As the site stands, I have no idea who to even ask.
:::Please note this Sixth Circuit Federal Appeals Court decision[https://www.jdsupra.com/legalnews/federal-court-blocks-nlrb-rule-that-7709617/][https://natlawreview.com/article/sixth-circuit-becomes-first-federal-appeals-court-reject-nlrb-cemex-ruling] from last week. I believe the WMF is under the 9th circuit and thus the NLRB Cemex Ruling stands for them, at least for now. --[[User:Guy Macon|Guy Macon]] ([[User talk:Guy Macon|talk]]) 15:29, 14 March 2026 (UTC)
::::My former colleagues are watching this conversation, so context and feedback taken!  The website is really clear right now that they are collecting [https://wikiworkersunited.org/take-action-us/ union cards for authorization in the US],  [[User:Sadads|Sadads]] ([[User talk:Sadads|talk]]) 15:43, 14 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::Thanks! I missed that. Message for the people who control the web page: Imagine that you are a skeptical reader asking themselves whether this is just some random person who put up a web page with a hidden WHOIS and no obvious info on who is behind it, or a serious attempt to unionize the WMF. Also, if you haven't read it yet, take a look at [https://files.epi.org/uploads/295158.pdf Corporate union busting in plain sight: How Amazon, Starbucks, and Trader Joe's crushed dynamic grassroots worker organizing campaigns]. --[[User:Guy Macon|Guy Macon]] ([[User talk:Guy Macon|talk]]) 17:02, 14 March 2026 (UTC)
:Labor organizing in the US is incredibly difficult because of bad laws and immense corporate power. As Sadads mentions, my former WMF colleagues have been working on this for years and only now have gone public with the campaign. If you'd like to show your support, you can use {{tl|User Wiki Workers United}}. [[User:Legoktm|Legoktm]] ([[User talk:Legoktm|talk]]) 17:16, 14 March 2026 (UTC)
::This is just the sort of thing ''The Register'' loves to cover. Right now there isn't enough coverage in reliable sources to pass [[WP:GNG]], but if you get there, I will be happy to help anyone with a COI to create a page on the union. Same offer as any other COI editor: you do the hard work, I carefully check it (and maybe suggest changes), then when I am happy with it I post it under my name and take full responsibility for what I post. --[[User:Guy Macon|Guy Macon]] ([[User talk:Guy Macon|talk]]) 17:51, 14 March 2026 (UTC)
::I understand that organizing a union is difficult, but you seem to be making things even more difficult for yourselves. I just tried clicking on "Union Priorities survey" and found that I had to sign in via Google. I don't have, and have no intention of getting, a Google account. I'm sure the same goes for many WMF employees. Indeed one of the main things that I would say in this survey if I was allowed to is that people should not be made to sell their souls to Google. [[User:Phil Bridger|Phil Bridger]] ([[User talk:Phil Bridger|talk]]) 19:05, 16 March 2026 (UTC)
:::(To be clear, I'm not directly involved in the unionizing effort, just an outside supporter.) I believe that survey is intended for WMF staff+contractors, not the general public, and all WMF staff have Google accounts because that's what the WMF uses internally. [[User:Legoktm|Legoktm]] ([[User talk:Legoktm|talk]]) 19:36, 16 March 2026 (UTC)
*I support! At ''The Signpost'' we have so much difficulty getting statements from WMF employees. I think having a union would greatly improve communication the Wikimedia Movement, especially in cases of social and ethical issues where WMF employees collectively have something to say. [[User:Bluerasberry|<span style="background:#cedff2;color:#11e">''' Bluerasberry '''</span>]][[User talk:Bluerasberry|<span style="background:#cedff2;color:#11e">(talk)</span>]] 18:21, 16 March 2026 (UTC)
*: Sometimes I get the feeling that WMF employees are afraid to engage with Wikipedia users. One advantage of a union is that they have the ability to criticize management without being nuked from orbit. --[[User:Guy Macon|Guy Macon]] ([[User talk:Guy Macon|talk]]) 18:36, 16 March 2026 (UTC)
*::I am interviewing current workers involved with WWU for the [[WP:Signpost]] and can confirm/relay feedback especially to “outsiders”. In the end though, good community organising will win the NLRB election or voluntary recognition, not slick media headlines. ~ 🦝 [[User:Shushugah|Shushugah]]&nbsp;(he/him&nbsp;•&nbsp;[[User talk:Shushugah|talk]]) 01:32, 17 March 2026 (UTC)
*:Somewhat odd for the union to claim to provide the funds for the movement though, on the topic of ethical issues. [[User:Chipmunkdavis|CMD]] ([[User talk:Chipmunkdavis|talk]]) 05:41, 17 March 2026 (UTC)
*::Funding infrastructure would be the more precise wording. ~ 🦝 [[User:Shushugah|Shushugah]]&nbsp;(he/him&nbsp;•&nbsp;[[User talk:Shushugah|talk]]) 10:04, 17 March 2026 (UTC)
*::I think it's a reasonable, concise description of what the WMF fundraising team does. [[User:Legoktm|Legoktm]] ([[User talk:Legoktm|talk]]) 20:30, 17 March 2026 (UTC)
*:::I read it as misleading at best. [[User:Chipmunkdavis|CMD]] ([[User talk:Chipmunkdavis|talk]]) 06:16, 19 March 2026 (UTC)