Editing Eurovision Wiki:Reliable sources/Noticeboard (section)

== Newsday ==

Came across ''[[Newsday]]'' when looking for sources for "[[Suit & Tie]]". Should it be listed as generally reliable? It has won 19 Pulitzer Prizes and is the eighth-largest circulation newspaper in the United States (Media Bias/Fact Check list its factual reporting as "high" [https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/newsday/]). However, some people consider it biased for politics-related topics (Media Bias/Fact Check noted that it "is reported factually with a left-leaning editorial bias"). With this logic, should it be listed as generally reliable for non-politics-related topics and considered biased for politics-related topics? <b>[[User:RedShellMomentum|<span style="color:black;">Red</span>]][[User talk:RedShellMomentum|<span style="color:red;">Shell</span>]][[User:RedShellMomentum|<span style="color:black;">Momentum</span>]]</b> 03:42, 13 March 2026 (UTC)

:[https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/newsday/ The MBFC's page on ''Newsday'' that you cite]] repeatedly calls it specifically "left-center", i.e., just the smallest unit over from what MBFC calls "not biased" (but may be considered "centrist biased".) Even if we accept MBFC's evaluation, it is hard to see that as sufficient for concern. -- [[User:NatGertler|Nat Gertler]] ([[User talk:NatGertler|talk]]) 07:36, 13 March 2026 (UTC)
:I've generally found Newsday to be a solid source for New York news, especially sports and pop culture. [[User:The Kip|<span style="color:#333f42;">'''The'''</span>]] [[User talk:The Kip|<span style="color:#b4975a;">'''Kip'''</span>]] <span style="color:#C8102E;"><small><sup>([[Special:Contributions/The Kip|contribs]])</sup></small></span> 07:48, 13 March 2026 (UTC)
:MBFC doesn't judge sources based on Wikipedia's policies and guidelines, so while it's may be useful for finding information about a source it's rather limited for Wikipedia's purposes. If by listed you mean appearing on the RSP that's not what the purpose of the RSP. It's not a list of reliable or unreliable sources, but simply a log of discussions that have happened here (see [[WP:RSPNOT]]). -- <small>LCU</small> '''[[User:ActivelyDisinterested|A<small>ctively</small>D<small>isinterested</small>]]''' <small>''«[[User talk:ActivelyDisinterested|@]]» °[[Special:Contributions/ActivelyDisinterested|∆t]]°''</small> 21:53, 13 March 2026 (UTC)
:MBFC is itself not reliable. [[User:Cortador|Cortador]] ([[User talk:Cortador|talk]]) 09:17, 14 March 2026 (UTC)
::Yes, you could say the blind leading the ... [[User:Yesterday, all my dreams...|Yesterday, all my dreams...]] ([[User talk:Yesterday, all my dreams...|talk]]) 15:36, 14 March 2026 (UTC)
:: This trite expression again. Wikipedians aren't reliable either, yet they determine all of our policies and guidelines. MBFC may not meet Wikipedia's criteria for citing article content, but it can be used as evidence when evaluating sources, along with other sources and Wikipedian arguments.[[User:Animalparty|&#45;-Animalparty!]] ([[User talk:Animalparty|talk]]) 18:12, 15 March 2026 (UTC)
:With [[Newsday#Pulitzer Prizes|19 Pulitzer Prizes]], ''[[Newsday]]'' is a [[WP:NEWSORG|well-established news outlet]] and is generally reliable for news, including political topics. The [[WP:RS|reliability]] of a source is evaluated separately from its [[WP:BIASED|bias]], and I do not see any indication that ''Newsday'' is any more biased than other high-circulation newspapers from the New York area that have won Pulitzer Prizes, including {{rspe|The Wall Street Journal|''[[The Wall Street Journal]]''|gr}} and {{rspe|The New York Times|''[[The New York Times]]''|gr}}.{{pb}}{{rspe|Media Bias/Fact Check|''[[Media Bias/Fact Check]]''|gu}} is a [[WP:SPS|self-published source]], so citing its analysis carries no additional weight over an editor making the same claim without citing MBFC. In this case, MBFC's bias rating [https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/newsday/ of ''Newsday''] is similar in intensity to that [https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/wall-street-journal/ of ''The Wall Street Journal''] and [https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/new-york-times/ of ''The New York Times''], so the MBFC rating does not support classifying ''Newsday'' as more biased for political topics than comparable mainstream news sources. —&nbsp;'''''[[User:Newslinger|<span style="color:#536267;">Newslinger</span>]]'''&nbsp;<small>[[User talk:Newslinger#top|<span style="color:#708090;">talk</span>]]</small>'' 09:45, 17 March 2026 (UTC)