Editing Eurovision Wiki:Templates for discussion/Log/2025 November 5 (section)

==== Culture sidebars part 8 ====
<div class="boilerplate tfd vfd tfd-closed mw-archivedtalk" style="background-color: #e3f9df; padding: 0 10px 0 10px; border: 1px solid #AAAAAA;">
:''The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more templates or modules. <span style="color:red">'''Please do not modify it.'''</span>  Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the template's [[Help:Using talk pages|talk page]] or in a [[Wikipedia:Deletion review|deletion review]]).''

The result of the discussion was '''Merge''' [[User:Pppery|* Pppery *]] [[User talk:Pppery|<sub style="color:#800000">it has begun...</sub>]] 17:45, 11 December 2025 (UTC)<!-- Tfd top -->
* '''Propose merging''' [[Template:Culture of Belize]] into [[Template:Belize topics]], and '''leave a redirect'''<br />
* '''Propose merging''' [[Template:Culture of Canada sidebar]] into [[Template:Canada topics]], and '''leave a redirect'''<br />
* '''Propose merging''' [[Template:Culture of Guatemala]] into [[Template:Guatemala topics]], and '''leave a redirect'''<br />
* '''Propose merging''' [[Template:Culture of Mexico]] into [[Template:Mexico topics]], and '''leave a redirect'''<br />
* '''Propose merging''' [[Template:Culture of Panama]] into [[Template:Panama topics]], and '''leave a redirect'''<br />

:Note: [[Template:Culture of Cuba]] already redirects to [[Template:Cuba topics]]
:Note: [[Template:Culture of El Salvador]] already redirects to [[Template:El Salvador topics]]
:Note: [[Template:Culture of Jamaica]] already redirects to [[Template:Jamaica topics]]
:Note: [[Template:Culture of Nicaragua]] already redirects to [[Template:Nicaragua topics]]
:Note: [[Template:Culture of the United States]] already redirects to [[Template:United States topics]]
'''Nominator's rationale:''' Follow-up to [[User:Nederlandse Leeuw/Culture sidebars#LAT precedents|Culture sidebars part 1]], [[Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2025 August 10#Culture sidebars part 2|Culture sidebars part 2]], [[Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2025 August 25#Culture sidebars part 3|Culture sidebars part 3]], [[User:Nederlandse Leeuw/Culture sidebars#Culture sidebars part 4|Culture sidebars part 4]], [[Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2025 October 8#Culture sidebars part 5|Culture sidebars part 5]],  [[Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2025 October 8#Culture sidebars part 6|Culture sidebars part 6]], and [[Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2025 November 5#Culture sidebars part 7|Culture sidebars part 7]] (ongoing below). [[User:Nederlandse Leeuw|NLeeuw]] ([[User talk:Nederlandse Leeuw#top|talk]]) 14:03, 5 November 2025 (UTC)
* '''Courtesy ping''' to participants of the Culture sidebars part 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, and 6 discussions for follow-up: {{ping|TheBritinator|Super Dromaeosaurus|Chipmunkdavis|Gonnym|Frietjes|Matrix|DemocracyDeprivationDisorder|Moxy|Renata3|WikiCleanerMan|Absolutiva|Piperium|Pratama26|Achmad Rachmani}} for your information. {{smiley}} [[User:Nederlandse Leeuw|NLeeuw]] ([[User talk:Nederlandse Leeuw#top|talk]]) 14:10, 5 November 2025 (UTC)
* '''Merge all''' per nomination. [[User:Achmad Rachmani|Achmad Rachmani]] ([[User talk:Achmad Rachmani|talk]]) 14:13, 5 November 2025 (UTC)
* '''merge all''' per nom and per prior discussions. [[User:Frietjes|Frietjes]] ([[User talk:Frietjes|talk]]) 16:28, 5 November 2025 (UTC)
*'''Delete''' pls stop forcing link spam ....have the balls to just delete.<span style="display:inline-flex;rotate:-15deg;color:darkblue">'''[[User:Moxy|Moxy]]'''</span><span style="display:inline-flex;rotate:15deg;color:darkblue">[[User talk:Moxy|🍁]]</span> 22:33, 5 November 2025 (UTC)
*:Do you mean to say you didn't want me to give you a ping? (In that case, sorry). Or do you agree with the proposal? [[User:Nederlandse Leeuw|NLeeuw]] ([[User talk:Nederlandse Leeuw#top|talk]]) 11:45, 6 November 2025 (UTC)
*::{{ping|Nederlandse Leeuw}} They should just be deleted or merge into a redundant footer related to culture.  Country "Main Topic" footers generally only have main parent articles like "Wildlife of Canada" we generally don't spam sub articles like "Fauna of Canada", "Flora of Canada", "Forests of Canada" etc - last thing we should be doing is overwhelming these top article country navigation templates with every sidebar template there is. For Canada - for example - we have [[:Category:Canada sidebar templates|39 sidebars]] with the project that maintains these having no desire to jam them all into one template as per [[WP:NAVBOX]] (MOS) "{{green|Navigation templates are particularly useful for a small, well-defined group of articles; templates with a large number of links are not forbidden, but can appear overly busy and be hard to read and use. }}" Good example {{tl|Canada topics}} small grouping of parent articles that's easy to see and navigate vs {{tl|India topics}} an accessibility and navigation nightmare. I've seen arguments before that these culture templates should be in the main country templates by many..... the problem we're going to have is those that edit  sports articles and media articles and economic articles and law articles all feel that their topics are just as important as the culture is to be mixed in to these country templates. Culture articles are subtopic of the main country topic just as sports are laws, government music etc.(sorry for typos on my phone) <span style="display:inline-flex;rotate:-15deg;color:darkblue">'''[[User:Moxy|Moxy]]'''</span><span style="display:inline-flex;rotate:15deg;color:darkblue">[[User talk:Moxy|🍁]]</span> 23:19, 6 November 2025 (UTC)
*:::@[[User:Moxy|Moxy]] You make good points (as usual).
*:::At [[Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2025 November 6#Culture sidebars 11]], I wrote earlier tonight: {{xt|:Note: [[Template:Odia culture]] (footer navbox) should perhaps be renamed [[Template:Culture of Odisha]] (currently a redirect to sidebar [[Template:State of Odisha]]) after main article [[Culture of Odisha]], but otherwise I would keep it separate from [[Template:Odisha]] (footer navbox). I'm excluding this issue from the current nomination, but for the sake of completeness I'm mentioning it.}} 
*:::Pragmatically speaking, I think it make sense to have separate footer navboxes for culture and for more general stuff on Odisha, due to the sheer amount of links in the Culture navbox alone. My primary aim is to get rid of the disruptive, poorly designed and badly transcluded [[WP:LEADSIDEBAR]]s, not to dump as many links as possible into the top article country navigation templates. It is good to keep that goal in mind. Sometimes converting a sidebar into a new navbox may therefore be a better idea in practice than merging it into a much larger existing navbox. [[User:Nederlandse Leeuw|NLeeuw]] ([[User talk:Nederlandse Leeuw#top|talk]]) 23:41, 6 November 2025 (UTC)
*::::If the culture templates are standalone...as in there is no culture footer -  they should be converted to a footer not jammed into another template. I am beginning to think we need to take this approach to the wider community.... this sort of run around to delete sidebars is reminding of the portals fiasco a decade ago. <span style="display:inline-flex;rotate:-15deg;color:darkblue">'''[[User:Moxy|Moxy]]'''</span><span style="display:inline-flex;rotate:15deg;color:darkblue">[[User talk:Moxy|🍁]]</span> 23:51, 6 November 2025 (UTC)
*'''Nerge''' per nomination. --[[User:WikiCleanerMan|WikiCleanerMan]] ([[User talk:WikiCleanerMan|talk]]) 23:25, 10 November 2025 (UTC)

:'''oh my goodness just merge already''' like i'm getting pinged for every one of these just merge the dang articles from <b>[[User:Piperium|Piperium]]</b> ([[User talk:Piperium|chit-chat]], [[Special:Contributions/Piperium|i did that]]) at 22:22, 25 November 2025 (UTC)
:'''Comment''': I was looking at some of the previous mergers and they had issues. Please make sure that when the merge is completed that the transclusions match the links. Each template should have {{tl|Navbox documentation}} which transcludes {{tl|Check completeness of transclusions }}. Use it to when finishing the merge. [[User:Gonnym|Gonnym]] ([[User talk:Gonnym|talk]]) 14:07, 10 December 2025 (UTC)
:''The above is preserved as an archive of the discussion. <span style="color: red;">'''Please do not modify it.'''</span> Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the template or module's [[Help:Using talk pages|talk page]] or in a [[Wikipedia:Deletion review|deletion review]]). No further edits should be made to this section.''</div>