Editing Talk:NCAA Division I men's basketball tournament (section)

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[[:NCAA Division I men's basketball tournament]] → {{no redirect|March Madness}} – From what I can tell, "March Madness" is the clear [[WP:COMMONNAME|common name]] for the NCAA basketball tournament(s), and arguably has been for the past twenty years. [https://books.google.com/ngrams/graph?content=March+madness%2CNCAA+basketball+tournament%2CNCAA+basketball&year_start=1800&year_end=2019&case_insensitive=on&corpus=en-2019&smoothing=3 Google ngrams] indicates a crossover some time in the 1990s between "NCAA basketball [tournament]" and "March Madness". Indeed, it's one of the few where the nickname has supplanted the official name to the point that it's actually how the NCAA have branded the tournament in the past decade or so (c.f. [[Freezer Bowl]], not "1981 AFC Championship Game") At the very least, I believe this is worth discussion. '''[[User:Sceptre|Sceptre]]''' ([[User talk:Sceptre|talk]]) 19:02, 6 April 2023 (UTC)
* '''Oppose''' - the most critical objection is that "March Madness" refers also to the women's tournament.  Regardless, this is a nickname, and the descriptive title should prevail. [[User:Walt Yoder|Walt Yoder]] ([[User talk:Walt Yoder|talk]]) 23:30, 6 April 2023 (UTC)
* '''Oppose move.''' I just don't see this one working out, because "March Madness" is a nickname. The common name is some form of "NCAA basketball tournament". '''[[User:Old Naval Rooftops|<span style="color:#002244">O.N.R.</span>]]'''&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Old Naval Rooftops|<span style="color:#002244">(talk)</span>]]</sup> 01:15, 7 April 2023 (UTC)
*:Being a nickname doesn't stop something, ''especially'' when it's become a trademark, from also being the common name. See also: [[Super Bowl I]], not [[1967 AFL–NFL World Championship Game]]; [[Euro 2020]], not [[2020 UEFA European Football Championship]]. "March Madness" is clearly the most common name for the NCAA basketball tournament, or at the very least, ''more'' common that the descriptive name. '''[[User:Sceptre|Sceptre]]''' ([[User talk:Sceptre|talk]]) 17:53, 7 April 2023 (UTC)
*'''Oppose'''. I would need to see significant evidence that the "March Madness" phrase would ''remain'' the [[WP:PRIMARYTOPIC|primary topic]] for the men's tournament ''only''. Last year, the NCAA began to also use the "March Madness" branding for the women's tournament too after a "comprehensive external review of gender equity issues".[https://bleacherreport.com/articles/10013583-ncaa-womens-basketball-tournament-to-use-march-madness-branding-starting-in-2022] And therefore, I would probably support moving {{-r|March Madness (disambiguation)}} to {{-r|March Madness}} instead. [[User:Zzyzx11|Zzyzx11]] ([[User talk:Zzyzx11|talk]]) 13:47, 7 April 2023 (UTC)
* '''Oppose.''' As others have pointed out, the term "March Madness" is also used in reference to the [[NCAA Division I women's basketball tournament|women's tournament]]. Given that this article is only about the men's tournament, changing the title would cause confusion and inaccurately represent the current usage of the term. [[User:Puhala,ny|Puhala,ny]] ([[User talk:Puhala,ny|talk]]) 00:10, 8 April 2023 (UTC)

:'''Oppose''' - as many have pointed out, the NCAA has started using the term for the women's tournament as well. And even if that weren't the case, I think something like "NCAA tournament" would probably be the true [[WP:COMMONNAME]] - it's more common to hear that teams earned bids to the NCAA tournament, not to March Madness. -[[User:Fuzzy510|fuzzy510]] ([[User talk:Fuzzy510|talk]]) 04:56, 9 April 2023 (UTC)
*[[March Madness]] should become a [[WP:CONCEPTDAB]] [[User:Red Slash|<span style="color:#FF4131;">Red</span>]] [[User talk:Red Slash|<b><span style="color:#460121;">Slash</span></b>]] 07:11, 9 April 2023 (UTC)

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