Editing Talk:2026 Iranian diaspora protests

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== Merge proposal ==

The article [[global day of action for the Iranian people]], which is about the 14 Feb 2026 Iranian diaspora protests, should be merged into [[2026 Iranian diaspora protests]], which is about the January 2026 Iranian diaspora protests. These are both Iranian diaspora protests in the context of the same overall sequence of events (protests in Iran, massacres, arrests, diaspora protests, US/IL plan to attack Iran). There's no justification for a [[WP:SPLIT]], except to make a new section for the 14 Feb (and 15 Feb???) diaspora protests and do a bit of other tidying up editing to avoid duplication. [[User:Boud|Boud]] ([[User talk:Boud|talk]]) 17:34, 16 February 2026 (UTC)
* '''Merge''' (proposer) As per the proposal - these are essentially the same topic, at slightly different dates within the same overall pattern of events. [[User:Boud|Boud]] ([[User talk:Boud|talk]]) 17:41, 16 February 2026 (UTC)
* '''Comment''' I'm open to either, but one thing to note is that although the majority of the "global day of action" protests were held worldwide across the Iranian diaspora, the protests were also held in Iran per the “Within Iran" section, and therefore not only across the diaspora, so I'm on the fence if a merge to the diaspora protests article would be factually correct here. Also, the content might be too long for a merge, so a split might be best based on its current length and content.--[[User:Ronnnaldo7|Ronnnaldo7]] ([[User talk:Ronnnaldo7|talk]]) 21:47, 16 February 2026 (UTC)
*:The "Within Iran" is just one sentence, which would remain in the history for recovering and adding to the main protests-in-Iran article if the info is still missing there. I don't think that should be controversial. [[User:Boud|Boud]] ([[User talk:Boud|talk]]) 15:19, 17 February 2026 (UTC)
*::Agreed, but if the article is eventually merged, I think the "Within Iran" section should still be kept and not just deleted, even if it is outside the diaspora, since it pertains to the topic of the global day of action. However, I'm still slightly leaning towards the article split due to the above reasons.--[[User:Ronnnaldo7|Ronnnaldo7]] ([[User talk:Ronnnaldo7|talk]]) 06:53, 18 February 2026 (UTC)

*'''Oppose'''. The scope of the February 14 protests makes them notable in and of themselves. Also, as mentioned in the article, they took place within Iran as well, so it doesn't cleanly fit into the [[2026 Iranian diaspora protests]], and the protests that took place on that day need to be addressed in one place and not scattered. Furthermore, [[2026 Iranian diaspora protests]] is currently over 5,700 words and rapidly expanding, and [[Global day of action for the Iranian people]] is currently over 1,300 words, making the total length approximately 7,000 word which is bordering on too long, and considering that [[2026 Iranian diaspora protests]] is growing quickly, it would likely need to be split fairly soon in any case. [[User:Ibn Yagdhan|Ibn Yagdhan]] ([[User talk:Ibn Yagdhan|talk]]) 06:46, 17 February 2026 (UTC)
*:The [[WP:PROSEL|prose size]] of [[2026 Iranian diaspora protests]] [https://xtools.wmcloud.org/articleinfo/en.wikipedia.org/2026_Iranian_diaspora_protests is currently 2418 words] and the prose size of [[Global day of action for the Iranian people]] [https://xtools.wmcloud.org/pageinfo/en.wikipedia.org/Global%20day%20of%20action%20for%20the%20Iranian%20people is currently 855 words] per xtools. So that's about 2400 + 900 = 3300 (not 7000), which is nowhere near justifying a [[WP:LENGTH]]-based split. If you do word estimates with copy/pasting to a terminal and [[wc (Unix)]], make sure that you only include prose (not references, tables, infobox, see also, external links). [[User:Boud|Boud]] ([[User talk:Boud|talk]]) 15:19, 17 February 2026 (UTC)
*::You are roughly correct (the XTools for both pages are showing slightly more than the numbers you mentioned, but its not substantial), I miscounted the words. However, my other two arguments still stand. [[User:Ibn Yagdhan|Ibn Yagdhan]] ([[User talk:Ibn Yagdhan|talk]]) 06:43, 18 February 2026 (UTC)
* '''Support''' per nom. [[User:Super Dromaeosaurus|<span style="color:#0099FF;">Super</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Super_Dromaeosaurus|<span style="color:#800080;">Ψ</span>]] [[User talk:Super Dromaeosaurus|<span style="color:#E60026;">Dro</span>]] 00:43, 20 February 2026 (UTC)
* '''Oppose'''. The extent of these protests is much larger and they took place inside Iran as well. [[User:MelikaShokoufandeh|MelikaShokoufandeh]] ([[User talk:MelikaShokoufandeh|talk]]) 14:47, 22 February 2026 (UTC)
* '''Oppose''' per above.--[[User:Ronnnaldo7|Ronnnaldo7]] ([[User talk:Ronnnaldo7|talk]]) 00:53, 23 February 2026 (UTC)
* '''Support''' per nom. [[User:Lova Falk|Lova Falk]] ([[User talk:Lova Falk|talk]]) 15:06, 27 February 2026 (UTC)
* '''Support''' per Boud's proposal. [[User:Ivegut|Ivegut]] ([[User talk:Ivegut|talk]]) 15:53, 27 February 2026 (UTC)
* '''Support''' per nom. '''[[User talk:Vice regent|VR]]''' <sub>(Please [[Template:Ping|ping]] on reply)</sub> 16:05, 28 February 2026 (UTC)
* '''Oppose''' per MelikaShokoufandeh. [[User:AghaJhonson|AghaJhonson]] ([[User talk:AghaJhonson|talk]]) 13:20, 2 March 2026 (UTC)
*'''Merge/Support:''' In my opinion, a single comprehensive article better illustrates the unified continuity of the 2026 protest movement. [[User:StarkReport|StarkReport]] ([[User talk:StarkReport|talk]]) 21:57, 4 March 2026 (UTC)

*'''Support''' per nomination. Same subject plus it meets the criteria per [[WP:SIZERULE]]. [[User:Lf8u2|Lf8u2]] ([[User talk:Lf8u2|talk]]) 00:42, 17 March 2026 (UTC)

== Crowd-counting consortium(a?) ==
{{ping|~2026-10380-14}} In {{diff|Global day of action for the Iranian people|prev|1338558125|this edit}} you added a comment about [[crowd counting]] techniques (to [[global day of action for the Iranian people|the other article]]). You can add comments like that on the [[WP:TALKPAGE]] of an article, but not directly in an article. However, we're unlikely to be able to use Wikipedians' [[WP:OR|interpretations of crowd density and area from a photograph]]. If you have a [[WP:RS|reliable source]] for that calculation, then we could likely use it. See [[crowd counting]] for methods, and [[crowd counting#External links]] for some of the groups that do this, such as the [https://ash.harvard.edu/programs/crowd-counting-consortium Harvard Kennedy School Crowd Counting Consortium] for protests in the US, which has a web interface {{tq|"Submit a Record"}} for anyone with internet access to propose a source for a protest crowd count. They will likely ignore any info about the Melbourne protest, since it's out of scope. You're welcome to convince democracy research groups elsewhere (Australia, Canada, South Korea, India, Brazil, Chile, wherever) to create similar projects. [[User:Boud|Boud]] ([[User talk:Boud|talk]]) 18:01, 16 February 2026 (UTC)

== Disruptive edits ==

{{ping|Skitash}} In [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=2026_Iranian_diaspora_protests&diff=prev&oldid=1340280940 this edit] to the article, you incorrectly added that the calls for strikes were amid the [[2026 United States military buildup in the Middle East|US military buildup]]. However, the source was published on 17 January, which is before the 26 January buildup's start date, per the buildup article, and also there is no mention of the buildup in the source, so your statement is not supported by the [[WP:RS]]. Also, in [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=2026_Iranian_diaspora_protests&diff=prev&oldid=1340444144 this edit], you attempted to degrade the article and the premise of the protesters' cause by adding "Several demonstrators held posters of Donald Trump and wore MAGA-style 'Make Iran Great Again' red baseball caps" next to the "calls for strikes" section, which not only is not at all supported anywhere in the source you added, but it also doesn't belong in that section, and also is not worthy of being added to the article as the action of "several" protesters does not reflect the premise of the overall protests. Please refrain from making [[WP:POV]] edits in disrupting the article. If you disagree, feel free to bring it to the talk page. [[User:Ronnnaldo7|Ronnnaldo7]] ([[User talk:Ronnnaldo7|talk]]) 22:07, 25 February 2026 (UTC)

:Hello. My edit was intended to add a link to that vital [[2026 United States military buildup in the Middle East]] article which was not present anywhere here on this page. Calls for military strikes obviously occurred both before and during the military buildup, which is why I added more recent sources. The addition regarding MIGA hats and portraits of Trump is directly supported by the NYT source, to quote: {{tq|"Some carried images of Mr. Pahlavi and chanted phrases like “Regime change in Iran!” while others wore red baseball caps emblazoned with the phrase “Make Iran Great Again,” a reference to the hats worn by supporters of Mr. Trump"}} and {{tq|"Demonstrators also held posters of Mr. Trump or images of his posts on social media."}} This is simply objective and nothing about it is disruptive or intending to "degrade the article" so I'd appreciate [[WP:AGF|assuming good faith]] instead of casting unhelpful aspersions. [[User:Skitash|Skitash]] ([[User talk:Skitash|talk]]) 22:30, 25 February 2026 (UTC)

::Hi Skitash, sounds good, I will assume good faith. However, your claim of "which is why I added more recent sources" simply isn't true, as in [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=2026_Iranian_diaspora_protests&diff=prev&oldid=1340280940 this edit], you didn't add any recent sources as you claim, and merely added the [[WP:Link]] to the already-existing sentence, which is not supported by the already-existing [[WP:RS]]. As for the sentence you previously added in [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=2026_Iranian_diaspora_protests&diff=prev&oldid=1340444144 this edit], "Several demonstrators held posters of Donald Trump and wore MAGA-style 'Make Iran Great Again' red baseball caps", yes, I can see that it can be perceived as objective in the context of the NY Times article's statements, however, the actions of "others" within the realm of "some", as the NY Times source stated, wouldn't quite be worthy of being added to the "Protester demands" section of the article as a representation of the protesters as a whole. To be clear, I don't oppose to adding any information as such, but that it needs to be supported by the [[WP:RS]] as a reflection of the protesters' demands. In any case, as the context of the NY Times article is in reference to the Munich rally, the statement would be more fitting in the respective section of the "[[Global day of action for the Iranian people|global day of action]]" article, and not in the "calls for strikes" section of this article. Thanks.--[[User:Ronnnaldo7|Ronnnaldo7]] ([[User talk:Ronnnaldo7|talk]]) 04:59, 26 February 2026 (UTC)
:::Thank you. The more recent source I'm referring to is the NYT source I added not long after (which is from February 14). Anyway, I agree that the statement about MIGA hats would be more suitable in the [[global day of action for the Iranian people]] article. [[User:Skitash|Skitash]] ([[User talk:Skitash|talk]]) 15:16, 26 February 2026 (UTC)