Editing Talk:Ethics of artificial intelligence

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== Challenges vs risks ==

Is there any justification for describing the (negative) risks of AI as "challenges"? Crossing the road on foot puts you at risk of being hit by a car. Taking a medicine prescribed to you by a doctor puts you at risk of side effects. These are risks, not challenges. The use of "challenge" here sounds very much like [[WP:SOAP]]. [[User:Boud|Boud]] ([[User talk:Boud|talk]]) 13:23, 23 May 2024 (UTC)

== Copyright and other issues related to the source material of LLM:s and other such systems based on large datasets ==

Should a chapter conserning copyright and other issues with the ownership and value of the source data of AI models based on large data sets be added? It is not a traditional topic of AI ethics but is very relevant to the current wave of generative AI. 

Certainly this topic has raised a lot of discussion, and for a reason. This wave of generative AI has been lauded as revolutionary and gained a ton of investments, but the invaluable source material has been collected in somewhat controversial ways, at least in the eyes of some people. [[Special:Contributions/176.72.38.230|176.72.38.230]] ([[User talk:176.72.38.230|talk]]) 16:17, 12 June 2024 (UTC)

:@[[User:176.72.38.230|176.72.38.230]] That would be a matter of finding reliable secondary sources (see [[WP:RS]]) to support such a section.  Keep in mind that RS discussion of copyright ''legal'' issues would not necessarily support a section here relating to the ''ethics'' of AI. [[User:WeyerStudentOfAgrippa|WeyerStudentOfAgrippa]] ([[User talk:WeyerStudentOfAgrippa|talk]]) 18:53, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
::@[[User:WeyerStudentOfAgrippa|WeyerStudentOfAgrippa]] Yes, you're right about sourcing. However, copyright and other issues conserning the ownership and value of training data are not solely legal issues. Theft, for example is a legal concept, but also ethical. Most consider it is unethical to steal. Theft is illegal because it is unethical! That is why I specifically wrote: "and other issues concerning the ownership of the source data".
::I believe many people have strong feelings about the current way of gathering data for generative AI not because they think it is illegal but because they feel it's morally wrong. The discussion however often revolves around the legal side because those people are trying to campaign for what they feel is moral, and in our society you have to argue via law.
::But I do not have time for finding sources and writing proper wikipedia text just now. I just wanted to throw this idea here. Wouldn't sources that show that a remarkable amount of people think there is something unethical in the way of collecting source data for AI be enough to show that this is an ethical consern with AI? [[Special:Contributions/176.72.38.230|176.72.38.230]] ([[User talk:176.72.38.230|talk]]) 19:07, 12 June 2024 (UTC)

== AI's "influence" in the arts and literature domains deserves to be discussed a bit more?  ==

Arts and entertainment professionals are susceptible to being replaced by AI models more than most others. There is a possibility of having an entire section dedicated to this with current examples from pop culture (media, advertising, entertainment, cinema, literature). [[User:Gaia1811|Gaia1811]] ([[User talk:Gaia1811|talk]]) 17:39, 4 December 2024 (UTC)

:It's a great idea and you should do it. It's a matter of pulling together good sources, but I would think there's good sources on this. [[User:JArthur1984|JArthur1984]] ([[User talk:JArthur1984|talk]]) 17:53, 4 December 2024 (UTC)

== Climate emergency ==

Where do we have coverage of the relation between LLM development and acceleration of the [[climate crisis|climate emergency]] via increased water and energy usage? [[User:Boud|Boud]] ([[User talk:Boud|talk]]) 15:55, 5 December 2024 (UTC)

:I agree, this would be a great topic to add in the article. Many LLM require a lot of energy and water usage due to the Data centers requiring water for cooling. [[User:Ctamass|Ctamass]] ([[User talk:Ctamass|talk]]) 20:02, 8 September 2025 (UTC)
:Relevant: [[Environmental impact of artificial intelligence]]. [[User:WeyerStudentOfAgrippa|WeyerStudentOfAgrippa]] ([[User talk:WeyerStudentOfAgrippa|talk]]) 21:36, 8 September 2025 (UTC)

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== "Role and impact of fiction" section ==

This section is almost entirely [[WP:SYNTH]]\[[WP:OR]] of arbitrary examples of where AI ethics might appear in a show or bookr or something, but rarely sourced to indicate actual notabiltity beyond a citation for the content of a particular episode. Lots of trimming (perhaps removal) needed. --[[User:ZimZalaBim|<span style="color:black">Zim</span><b style="color:darkgreen">Zala</b><span style="color:black">Bim</span>]] <sup style="color:black">[[User talk:ZimZalaBim|talk]]</sup> 20:33, 22 May 2025 (UTC)

== Suggestion: Addition of open-access corpus on applied AI ethics (LEA – Human-AI Channel) ==

Hello,

I am a contributor to the “LEA – Applied Ethical Logic and Human-AI Symbiotic Channel” corpus, recently published on Zenodo (see: [https://zenodo.org/records/16987507?utm_source=chatgpt.com https://zenodo.org/records/16987507]). In line with Wikipedia’s conflict of interest policy, I am not editing the article directly, but I would like to suggest this open-access corpus as a potential source for consideration by independent editors.

The corpus is publicly available and focuses on applied ethical logic, symbolic reasoning, and collaborative co-caring between humans and AI. It may be a valuable addition to sections discussing ethical AI training resources and the development of responsible AI systems.

I leave it to the discretion of independent editors to determine whether referencing or including this source is appropriate.

Thank you for your attention.

— Manuel Barrera Anglada [[User:Manuel Barrera Anglada|Manuel Barrera Anglada]] ([[User talk:Manuel Barrera Anglada|talk]]) 22:59, 28 August 2025 (UTC)

:Can you cite a secondary source for this? There isn't much we can do with a preprint off Zenodo, see [[WP:ZENODO]]. [[User:MrOllie|MrOllie]] ([[User talk:MrOllie|talk]]) 23:06, 28 August 2025 (UTC)
::Thank you for your prompt reply. I understand the requirement for a secondary source and will look for one before suggesting the inclusion again.
::Best regards,
::Manuel Barrera Anglada [[User:Manuel Barrera Anglada|Manuel Barrera Anglada]] ([[User talk:Manuel Barrera Anglada|talk]]) 16:12, 30 August 2025 (UTC)
:::You also appear to be the author of this particular item you're seeking to include. Please be aware of our [[WP:COI|conflict of interest]] and [[WP:CITESPAM]] policies. --[[User:ZimZalaBim|<span style="color:black">Zim</span><b style="color:darkgreen">Zala</b><span style="color:black">Bim</span>]] <sup style="color:black">[[User talk:ZimZalaBim|talk]]</sup> 16:31, 30 August 2025 (UTC)

== Ethical mandates ==

https://doi.org/10.5281/zenodo.17611760 [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2025-33980-15|&#126;2025-33980-15]] ([[User talk:&#126;2025-33980-15|talk]]) 23:36, 16 November 2025 (UTC)

== Robots & machines ==

Why is the majority of this article about machine ethics and robot rights (which might involve AI, but not always)? Let those have their own articles, and keep this about the ethical aspects of AI generally. Thoughts? --[[User:ZimZalaBim|<span style="color:DimGray">Zim</span><b style="color:darkgreen">Zala</b><span style="color:DimGray">Bim</span>]]<sup style="color:DarkSlateGray">[[User talk:ZimZalaBim|talk]]</sup> 21:40, 20 November 2025 (UTC)

:It makes sense to have content on how those topics here, but maybe the "Machine ethics" section has grown too big and we should move some of it to the article [[Machine ethics]] or [[Robot ethics]]. [[User:Alenoach|Alenoach]] ([[User talk:Alenoach|talk]]) 07:18, 21 November 2025 (UTC)

== Proposal to add an external link on ethical AI governance ==

Hello, I’d like to propose adding the following resource to the ''External links'' section:

• ''Designing Ethical AI Systems: Why Governance Can’t Be an Afterthought'' by Jason Hishmeh – https://aijourn.com/designing-ethical-ai-systems-why-governance-cant-be-an-afterthought/

This article provides an in-depth overview of governance frameworks, risk mitigation, and ethical design principles for AI systems. It may be useful as an additional resource for readers exploring AI governance and ethics.

[[User:KaterynaKib|KaterynaKib]] ([[User talk:KaterynaKib|talk]]) 12:47, 9 December 2025 (UTC)

== Proposal to split the article ==

[[Criticism of artificial intelligence]] is maybe [[WP:NOTABLE]] enough for me to split the article now. [[User:Phudeptrai47540370870|Phudeptrai47540370870]] ([[User talk:Phudeptrai47540370870|talk]]) 11:46, 19 February 2026 (UTC)

:It's unclear to me what you consider splitting, but there is an existing article named "[[Artificial intelligence controversies]]", so "Criticism of artificial intelligence" may be quite redundant (and also, articles named "Criticism of ..." can be problematic in terms of neutrality). [[User:Alenoach|Alenoach]] ([[User talk:Alenoach|talk]]) 21:45, 19 February 2026 (UTC)
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== Merge proposal ==

There's a new article on [[AI veganism]] which primarily discusses ethical issue, although I'm not sure that the article itself is support by the references it uses (there is some inappropriate synthesis and use of unreliable sources such as blogs). So, perhaps a selective merge to the broader topic? [[User:Klbrain|Klbrain]] ([[User talk:Klbrain|talk]]) 19:36, 25 February 2026 (UTC)

:[[Ethics of uncertain sentience]] could be an alternate merge target. [[User:Arlo Barnes|Arlo James Barnes]] 11:33, 26 February 2026 (UTC)
:The articles in ''The Guardian'' and ''The Conversation'', as well as some in the ''Times of India'', explicitly describe AI vegans or AI veganism. Such articles may increase, and even articles that don't use that terminology may still describe the same topic. I would prefer to try to improve the new article. [[User:WeyerStudentOfAgrippa|WeyerStudentOfAgrippa]] ([[User talk:WeyerStudentOfAgrippa|talk]]) 21:54, 27 February 2026 (UTC)
::If you know of sources which describe the same topic without using this term, it would make sense to rename and expand that article. Since most of the sources at that article did not discuss 'veganism', I have removed them as blatant [[WP:OR]]. The two sources left aren't really substantial enough to support an entire article. [[User:Grayfell|Grayfell]] ([[User talk:Grayfell|talk]]) 22:01, 5 March 2026 (UTC)
:::"AI abstinence" may be a synonymous term. (Not to be confused with "AI abstention", which is a behavior of AIs.) A ''Fast Company'' [https://www.fastcompany.com/91429000/artificial-intelligence-abstinence-openai-llm article] uses it instead of "AI veganism", and the Euronews refidea uses both. [[User:WeyerStudentOfAgrippa|WeyerStudentOfAgrippa]] ([[User talk:WeyerStudentOfAgrippa|talk]]) 15:32, 7 March 2026 (UTC)
::::Ive met more AI environmentalists than vegans. But I think AI boycott is a better title, even though it pulls out the reasoning they are boycotting. Because technophobes and antivaxxer conspiracy theorists also boycott, or at least try, for other reasons. [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-16796-28|&#126;2026-16796-28]] ([[User talk:&#126;2026-16796-28|talk]]) 04:07, 18 March 2026 (UTC)
:'''Support''' a merge. Likely not enough available sources for an article. Some of [[Special:diff/1341824116/1341915122|the content removed by Grayfell]] could potentially be moved to [[Ethics of uncertain sentience]] as suggested by Arlo James Barnes, for the rest, perhaps the article [[Veganism]] or [[Ethics of artificial intelligence]]. [[User:Alenoach|Alenoach]] ([[User talk:Alenoach|talk]]) 00:50, 6 March 2026 (UTC)
::[[WP:TIMESOFINDIA]] notes possible paid content, but I don't see any reason to expect it in this case. I added two refideas. [[User:WeyerStudentOfAgrippa|WeyerStudentOfAgrippa]] ([[User talk:WeyerStudentOfAgrippa|talk]]) 20:15, 6 March 2026 (UTC)
:'''Support''' merge, any of the proposed target articles are acceptable. This doesn't need to be separate unless the "veganism" analogy gets widespread coverage and study. '''[[User:Thebiguglyalien|<span style="color:#0c4709">Thebiguglyalien</span>]]''' ([[User talk:Thebiguglyalien|<span style="color:#472c09">talk</span>]]) 00:21, 8 March 2026 (UTC)