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== Neutral wording in objective ==

Concerning these changes: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=January_2015_Mazraat_Amal_incident&diff=654501375&oldid=654408273

"presumed" and "allegedly" was removed without any reason. These are Israeli claims and not facts, so both words should be re added. "planning an attack on Israeli-occupied territory" was changed to "Israeli communities along the border" this should also be reverted back because the later sentence makes the reader believe the alleged attacks were planned against legitimate Israeli communities in Israel, when in fact it was allegedly an attack on an area that is an israeli-occupied territory. --[[User:Supreme Deliciousness|Supreme Deliciousness]] ([[User talk:Supreme Deliciousness|talk]]) 16:57, 1 April 2015 (UTC)
:So that would make civilian communities within those territories fair game? That is what is implied here. We must find a better wording which would avoid that disturbing impression. [[User:Irondome|Irondome]] ([[User talk:Irondome|talk]]) 17:06, 1 April 2015 (UTC)
::Where in "allegedly planning an attack on Israeli-occupied territory" does it say anything about "fair game" ? We are talking about accuracy here. --[[User:Supreme Deliciousness|Supreme Deliciousness]] ([[User talk:Supreme Deliciousness|talk]]) 17:25, 1 April 2015 (UTC)
:::Then civilian communities in Israeli-occupied territory should do it. Or does that spoil the narrative? [[User:Irondome|Irondome]] ([[User talk:Irondome|talk]]) 17:37, 1 April 2015 (UTC)
::::The accurate way to call Israeli communities in Israeli-occupied territory is "[[Israeli settlements]]". --[[User:Supreme Deliciousness|Supreme Deliciousness]] ([[User talk:Supreme Deliciousness|talk]]) 18:13, 1 April 2015 (UTC)
:::::Again, according to the narrative. The term for a group of people living together is a community. Civilian settlements in Israeli occupied territory. How about that? [[User:Irondome|Irondome]] ([[User talk:Irondome|talk]]) 18:21, 1 April 2015 (UTC)
::::::What do you mean by "according to the narrative" ? The term for a group of Israelis living together in occupied territory is: "Israeli settlement". --[[User:Supreme Deliciousness|Supreme Deliciousness]] ([[User talk:Supreme Deliciousness|talk]]) 18:25, 1 April 2015 (UTC)
::::::There are distinct narratives in operation which both sides employ. I was referring to one strand. Now, do you object to the mention of Israeli settlements, communities or whatever, in the wording? That would actually give balance. [[User:Irondome|Irondome]] ([[User talk:Irondome|talk]]) 19:15, 1 April 2015 (UTC)
::::::: I don't object to "Israeli settlements" but I do object to "Israeli communities" based on that they are on occupied territory, so "settlement" is the most accurate term. Al Manar has also said that they were on a field reconnaissance mission [http://english.alarabiya.net/en/News/middle-east/2015/01/18/Israeli-jet-strikes-target-in-Syria-s-Golan-Heights.html]. We can not only follow the Israeli pov here, we have to attribute and also ad Hezbollah's view. --[[User:Supreme Deliciousness|Supreme Deliciousness]] ([[User talk:Supreme Deliciousness|talk]]) 19:26, 1 April 2015 (UTC)
::::::: That's fine, as long as we get a balance of sources, conflicting pov is sadly natural. I think our job is to attribute pov accounts with strict equality, even down to the number of sources deployed, if possible. Good to work with you, [[User:Supreme Deliciousness]]. Cheers [[User:Irondome|Irondome]] ([[User talk:Irondome|talk]]) 19:35, 1 April 2015 (UTC)
::::::::Both POVs are in the article content. I think in the infobox we should just have "To destroy a Hezbollah field unit". --[[User:Supreme Deliciousness|Supreme Deliciousness]] ([[User talk:Supreme Deliciousness|talk]]) 01:38, 4 April 2015 (UTC)
:::::::: I am sorry SD I have been at my friend's for a couple of days and have been mostly offline. I would support that wording. We cannot have excessive or potentially disputed stuff in infoboxes.. The theories of possible potential targets is mentioned in mainspace. regards [[User:Irondome|Irondome]] ([[User talk:Irondome|talk]]) 22:56, 4 April 2015 (UTC)

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== Merge proposal ==

Merge [[January 2015 Shebaa Farms incident]] into [[January 2015 Mazraat Amal incident]] and rename to [[January 2015 Israel-Hezbollah incidents]]. A military operation followed by a retailiatory military operation. Neither is inherently notable in the grand scale of the conflict, but there should not be individual pages at the very least. Makes sense to cover these two minor events in tandem. [[User:Longhornsg|Longhornsg]] ([[User talk:Longhornsg|talk]]) 18:31, 7 December 2025 (UTC)
* I'm leaning toward support. But I'm hesitant to say that, even when combined, these amount to anything more than the day's news in that region and aren't of such historical significance that the day's events need a separate article. [[User:Thebiguglyalien|<span style="color:#487d30">Thebiguglyalien</span>]] ([[User talk:Thebiguglyalien|<span style="color:#714e2a">talk</span>]]) [[Special:Contributions/Thebiguglyalien|🛸]] 22:34, 13 December 2025 (UTC)
*:@[[User:Thebiguglyalien|Thebiguglyalien]], I agree with you. But I always like to tread carefully in this topic area. Can always [[WP:AfD]] later. [[User:Longhornsg|Longhornsg]] ([[User talk:Longhornsg|talk]]) 06:23, 17 December 2025 (UTC)