Editing Talk:Kiddush

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==Do It Yourself article?==
I feel this reads like a "[[do it yourself]]" article rather than an encyclopedia article. I also wonder how necessary it is to include the full text of all the different forms of ''kiddush''. How is this going to be of benefit to net surfers, especially non-Jews? [[User:Yoninah|Yoninah]] 15:54, 20 October 2005 (UTC)

:I agree the full text can go to Wikisource. [[User:Jfdwolff|JFW]]&nbsp;|&nbsp;[[User_talk:Jfdwolff|<small>T@lk</small>]] 20:19, 20 October 2005 (UTC)
::How do you do that? [[User:Yoninah|Yoninah]] 21:26, 20 October 2005 (UTC)

Well, probably manually to [[Wikisource]]. To go the official way would take a while, see [[Wikipedia:Transwiki log]]. [[User:Jfdwolff|JFW]]&nbsp;|&nbsp;[[User_talk:Jfdwolff|<small>T@lk</small>]] 21:59, 20 October 2005 (UTC)

== Kiddush sephardi ==

This shows just the ashkenazies ones, sephardi exists  <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/80.74.111.178|80.74.111.178]] ([[User talk:80.74.111.178|talk]]) 16:09, 27 December 2012 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

== Kiddush Levanah (moon blessing) ==

Nothing on this?  I know it's a rich subject, filled with controversy.  It is also an example of when Jews do something that they normally wouldn't, just to not be like "pagans": face one way, then turn another "because we don't pray to the moon," and many people make a conscious decision not to do it at all. <small><span class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:198.203.175.175|198.203.175.175]] ([[User talk:198.203.175.175|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/198.203.175.175|contribs]]) </span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned -->
:That's not relevant to this article. Kiddush Levanah (more technically ''Birkat HaLevana'') has nothing to do with the Kiddush that delineates the sanctification of holy days. It should probably have it's own article, though. Also, since when is it filled with controversy? It's pretty established in normative [[Orthodox Judaism|Orthodox]] practice, and I've never heard of anyone going out of their way to avoid saying it. --[[User:DLand|DLand]][[User talk:DLand|<sup style="color:green;"><small>TALK</small></sup>]] 21:21, 5 May 2006 (UTC)

In contrast, many went out of their way to say it! There's nothing wrong with it as long as one does not give the impression its the moon that's being prayed to. [[User:Jfdwolff|JFW]]&nbsp;|&nbsp;[[User_talk:Jfdwolff|<small>T@lk</small>]] 00:57, 7 May 2006 (UTC)\

== Hebrew and English phonetic Kiddush ==
It would be nice to have the Hebrew directly and as phonetic available, if someone would please be kind enough to add them.

== Origin of Kiddush ==

Where is the text of the kiddush coming from? Who wrote it? When? These are important issues for an encyclopedia. Regards, --[[Special:Contributions/89.139.33.119|89.139.33.119]] ([[User talk:89.139.33.119|talk]]) 17:34, 17 January 2009 (UTC)G.L.

== English translation of Friday night kiddush ==

i've made a couple of changes to this.  firstly, i've changed to 'Permit me, my friends' as that matches the hebrew text.  the previous english version is actually more normal/common but it didn't match the hebrew version on this page.

secondly, i've changed to 'a day pre-eminent among sacred occasions which commemorates the Exodus...' as the original translation was sufficiently poor, in my view, that it had the wrong meaning.  it also didn't make much sense.  <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/62.25.109.198|62.25.109.198]] ([[User talk:62.25.109.198|talk]]) 15:24, 20 April 2010 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

well i changed it back. the hebrew version is supposed to be   סברי מרנו רבנן ורבותיwhich matches the translation
secondly the translation had the right meaning. כי יום זה תחילה למקראה קודש, זכר ליציאת מצרים doesn't mean that it is a commemoration to the exodus rather that it preceded the even the sacred occasion of the departure from egypt.--[[User:Marbehtorah-marbehchaim|Marbehtorah-marbehchaim]] ([[User talk:Marbehtorah-marbehchaim|talk]]) 16:46, 18 May 2010 (UTC)

i really can't agree with the transalation 'a day preceding even those sacred occasions commemorating the Exodus from Egypt'.  i have looked in the one siddur i have handy and several places online and they all indicate that a better translation would be something like 'the first amongst holy festivals, a remembrance of coming out of egypt'.

the chabad website (http://www.chabad.org/library/article_cdo/aid/95896/jewish/Kiddush-Friday-Night-Meal.htm) renders it as 'It is the first of the holy festivals, commemorating the exodus from Egypt.'

the orthodox union website (http://www.ou.org/chagim/shabbat/remember.htm) has: 'For Shabbat is the first of the holidays, which are remembrances of the Exodus from Egypt.'

the aish site (http://image.aish.com/misc/kiddush-pm.pdf) has: 'It is the foremost day of the holy festivals marking the Exodus from Egypt.'

jewish heritage online magazine (http://jhom.com/topics/wine/kiddush.htm) has: 'For the Sabbath is the first of the holidays, a remembrance of the Exodus from Egypt.'

since i have consulted such excellent sources, i trust that i have not been presumptuous in amending the translation again.  if anyone wishes to amend this further, would they please demonstrate support for their position by citing a reliable corroborative source.  <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/62.25.109.198|62.25.109.198]] ([[User talk:62.25.109.198|talk]]) 16:18, 7 June 2010 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

==Eucharist==
The article should maybe examine whether there are any potential historical links with the Christian ritual of the Eucharist.  <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/68.171.68.154|68.171.68.154]] ([[User talk:68.171.68.154|talk]]) 08:32, 29 August 2010 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

== Kiddush reciting ==

There is no kiddush for Bar or Bat Mitzva.  <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/213.151.39.58|213.151.39.58]] ([[User talk:213.151.39.58|talk]]) 12:23, 12 September 2010 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

:@[[User:213.151.39.58|213.151.39.58]]  I know this is an old statement but for anyone else wondering, the kiddush mentioned in the article is the food served after the Sat morning services in which the the bar/bat mitzvah is conducted. [[User:Shana3980|Shana3980]] ([[User talk:Shana3980|talk]]) 04:27, 22 June 2025 (UTC)

== Never actually says what Kiddush is ==

The only definition of Kiddush is that it means "Holy" in Aramaic. Then later you mention occasions when it is "recited." There's text given later in the article. So, I assume that Kiddush is a blessing or prayer. Is this right? Isn't this article intended for readers like me who don't already know what Kiddush is? If so, you should define or explain it at the beginning. [[User:Ileanadu|Ileanadu]] ([[User talk:Ileanadu|talk]]) 00:57, 14 March 2014 (UTC)
:This was due to some unreverted vandalism, which [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Kiddush&diff=prev&oldid=619230967 I've fixed]. '''[[User:Graham87|Graham]]'''[[User talk:Graham87|<span style="color:green;">87</span>]] 03:11, 31 July 2014 (UTC)

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== Merge proposal ==
I propose merging [[Borei Pri HaGafen ]] into [[Kiddush]]. AFAIK, the latter is indeed the blessing itself as well as the oneg (small gathering with food). '''[[User:AndreJustAndre|Andre]]'''<span style="border:2px solid #073642;background:rgb(255,156,0);background:linear-gradient(90deg, rgba(255,156,0,1) 0%, rgba(147,0,255,1) 45%, rgba(4,123,134,1) 87%);">[[User_talk:AndreJustAndre|🚐]]</span> 02:07, 17 February 2026 (UTC)

:These are two completely different articles. Kiddush deals with a mitzvah that is practiced on Shabbats and holidays, and Borei Pri HaGafen is a blessing that is said every day. [[User:TheRabbi613|TheRabbi613]] ([[User talk:TheRabbi613|talk]]) 21:57, 5 March 2026 (UTC)
::There is no doubt that both need to be worked on and expanded. But they must not be Merge. [[User:TheRabbi613|TheRabbi613]] ([[User talk:TheRabbi613|talk]]) 21:58, 5 March 2026 (UTC)
:::I believe Kiddush is also the term for the prayer not just the ceremony. '''[[User:AndreJustAndre|Andre]]'''<span style="border:2px solid #073642;background:rgb(255,156,0);background:linear-gradient(90deg, rgba(255,156,0,1) 0%, rgba(147,0,255,1) 45%, rgba(4,123,134,1) 87%);">[[User_talk:AndreJustAndre|🚐]]</span> 23:33, 5 March 2026 (UTC)
* '''Support'''. There is no need for a standalone page per [[WP:NOPAGE]]. [[User:Longhornsg|Longhornsg]] ([[User talk:Longhornsg|talk]]) 19:26, 17 March 2026 (UTC)